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Veggie, heading for vegan...but

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Sonolanona · 05/05/2024 00:19

I'm veggie, and haven't drunk milk for over 30 years. I've made the switch to vegan 'cheese' ..not perfect, but ok, and I can manage it for most cooking needs.
But... I've had a boiled egg and toast for breakfast every day since I was 3 and I'm 56 now! Always free range (my family have chickens on a smallholding) but I am really struggling to make that last switch because , well, breakfast has always been an egg, and use eggs in cooking.

How do I ditch the egg?!

OP posts:
DressDilemma · 05/05/2024 10:05

OP might be wanting to switch due to health reasons and not just ethical.

For breakfast, I like to eat
vegan pancakes
avocado on toast
vegan sausages in a bap
overnight oats made with almond milk
Vegan croissants
High protein bagels with a vegan spread
Store bought falafels in a wrap
Savoury Indian breakfasts like savoury chickpea flour pancakes, poha and upma

it takes a bit of planning and effort. Not as simple as eating boiled eggs and toast but very easy once you get into a routine. You will also find a lot of inspiration if you look into cuisines that are traditionally vegetarian such as Indian.

That being said, I am not entirely vegan as very occasionally, I still end up having milk in my tea when I am visiting friends and family and they don't have vegan milk alternative. I don't beat myself up over this because I am really trying my best here.

Lovinglife57 · 05/05/2024 10:07

EmmaGrundyForPM · 05/05/2024 09:56

Vegan is a whole lifestyle, not a meal. If I ate a "vegan" meal I wouldn't call it that. I'd say I ate a plant based meal. I quite often eat plant based meals but do so wearing leather shoes, or a wool jumper.

I'm not a vegan, but I do understand what veganism is. I can't believe the comments on here about "vegans" who eat free range eggs.

DS2 ate a completely plant based diet for a while as a teenager, for health reasons. He never said he was vegan, as he was OK about leather shoes etc.

Exactly this

Lovinglife57 · 05/05/2024 10:10

My lads gf is a vegan always has been and a vegan is vegan from eating and down to what you wear any products you use that’s a VEGAN and comments on here just to be clear VEGANS certainly don’t eat eggs🤣

Sonolanona · 05/05/2024 10:12

Thankyou for the replies (or most of them anyway Grin) I knew that veganism brings out strong opinions but I'm surprised at some of them given that this is the vegan board !
My reasons are two fold. Health..I am lactose intolerant with diverticular disease and dairy is a trigger..spent many years loving cheese and going 'ouch' afterwards. But the ethics are important to me too. I'm not perfect and I have no need for a label...I wear the leather shoes I've had for years, but don't buy any leather goods any more. I have an allotment and try to grow as much food as I can myself and eat in season food rather than stuff shipped in from across the world.
I care about animal welfare, and have am veggie because I love animals and cannot bear to eat anything with a face and sentience, and I would like to make my diet as ethically decent as possible.
It's hard for me because despite all the above, I am also a rather restricted eater... and have been all my life so leaving behind eggs, which are one of my 'safe' foods, is not quite as easy as 'just don't eat them' and hence asking for ideas to make the transition.
It seems logical to me to take that step (and I have no need to label myself Vegan, frankly I don't need the flack that the label often attracts) as while I can source eggs from chickens whom I know personally and know their welfare, I know that there are many occasions when that won't be the case,and I'd simply like to be egg free but need alternative breakfast ideas that I can learn to enjoy.
I can't eat gluten either due to the damn diverticular disease so a quick bowl of cereal is not happening!

Thank you to those who have given me some ideas, I'm not imaginative when it comes to food (I basically eat about 5 different meals )so it is really helpful!

OP posts:
goldenretrievermum5 · 05/05/2024 11:59

Sonolanona · 05/05/2024 10:12

Thankyou for the replies (or most of them anyway Grin) I knew that veganism brings out strong opinions but I'm surprised at some of them given that this is the vegan board !
My reasons are two fold. Health..I am lactose intolerant with diverticular disease and dairy is a trigger..spent many years loving cheese and going 'ouch' afterwards. But the ethics are important to me too. I'm not perfect and I have no need for a label...I wear the leather shoes I've had for years, but don't buy any leather goods any more. I have an allotment and try to grow as much food as I can myself and eat in season food rather than stuff shipped in from across the world.
I care about animal welfare, and have am veggie because I love animals and cannot bear to eat anything with a face and sentience, and I would like to make my diet as ethically decent as possible.
It's hard for me because despite all the above, I am also a rather restricted eater... and have been all my life so leaving behind eggs, which are one of my 'safe' foods, is not quite as easy as 'just don't eat them' and hence asking for ideas to make the transition.
It seems logical to me to take that step (and I have no need to label myself Vegan, frankly I don't need the flack that the label often attracts) as while I can source eggs from chickens whom I know personally and know their welfare, I know that there are many occasions when that won't be the case,and I'd simply like to be egg free but need alternative breakfast ideas that I can learn to enjoy.
I can't eat gluten either due to the damn diverticular disease so a quick bowl of cereal is not happening!

Thank you to those who have given me some ideas, I'm not imaginative when it comes to food (I basically eat about 5 different meals )so it is really helpful!

I am more than shocked at some of the incredibly judgemental opinions too, OP for what should be a supportive board for making the transition. Lots of posters sitting firmly on their high horses and wanting everyone to know about it

goldenretrievermum5 · 05/05/2024 12:02

Sunshineandrainbows23 · 05/05/2024 01:41

They say that cheese is much harder for a lot of people to give up than meat. I understand that it contains caso morphines (in all milks including human milk) - it's to make the baby want more and more of it's mother's milk, needed to grow. . Apparently, because cheese is so concentrated, it contains so much more of these caso morphines. Hence people find it hard to give up. If you can't find a cheese substitute you like, and really want to go vegan, then it's probably easiest in the long run just to quit it ...

I don't know if it helps, but apparently there are over a million pus cells in a teaspoon of milk so you can imagine how much pus is contained in the concentrated version of cheese.

I never found giving up cheese hard as I didn't really like it but I know it's a stumbling block for many.

Yep - already very aware of that fact and it certainly did help me cut down a lot! Cutting it out fully is going to be an ongoing challenge though as doing so would rule out a huge amount of current recipes and dishes when eating out

goldenretrievermum5 · 05/05/2024 12:06

HollyKnight · 05/05/2024 03:26

She also wants to eat eggs. Hence why I asked why does she have to be vegan. I dont know any ethical vegetarians or vegans who had trouble giving up an animal product. Only the ones doing it for health reasons found it hard giving up certain things.

Ridiculous so called ‘advice’. If this was the case and no vegan in history has ever struggled to give something up then the shelves wouldn’t be filled with plant based meat, fish, egg and dairy alternatives

Coconutter24 · 05/05/2024 13:35

Traceyallshot · 05/05/2024 09:28

Also I’m a vegetarian, have been my whole life and the amount of people, especially in recent years when there are more vegans, that presume I’m a vegan. I get questioned so many times as to what I eat. People don’t actually seem to know the difference so what label you give yourself really shouldn’t matter at all

Edited

Exactly. I’m dairy free for the past 2 years but I don’t have to announce it when I eat, I just eat what I can eat and I order what I can eat when I’m out.

Mayhemmumma · 05/05/2024 13:49

Label yourself 'mostly vegan' and enjoy the free range organic eggs for breakfast.

YouWereAlwaysOnMyMind · 05/05/2024 14:45

goldenretrievermum5 · 05/05/2024 11:59

I am more than shocked at some of the incredibly judgemental opinions too, OP for what should be a supportive board for making the transition. Lots of posters sitting firmly on their high horses and wanting everyone to know about it

The non vegans coming onto the VEGAN BOARD to tell the OP, who would like to give up eggs and be vegan, that she should just eat them and giving their judgemental opinions make themselves ridiculous.

Yet so called preachy vegans is what we hear about. Lol.

goldenretrievermum5 · 05/05/2024 14:47

YouWereAlwaysOnMyMind · 05/05/2024 14:45

The non vegans coming onto the VEGAN BOARD to tell the OP, who would like to give up eggs and be vegan, that she should just eat them and giving their judgemental opinions make themselves ridiculous.

Yet so called preachy vegans is what we hear about. Lol.

Considering OP has been bashed for not being able to give up eggs easily by so called ‘preachy vegans’ I can safely say that there are quite a few lurking on this thread!

YouWereAlwaysOnMyMind · 05/05/2024 14:59

goldenretrievermum5 · 05/05/2024 14:47

Considering OP has been bashed for not being able to give up eggs easily by so called ‘preachy vegans’ I can safely say that there are quite a few lurking on this thread!

I see no bashing from vegans on this thread. They have offered helpful advice. It’s the non vegans that are the issue.

Allthatglittersisntart · 05/05/2024 17:25

I expect there are lots of vegetarians lurking here envious of the fresh eggs 😂! (Me included)

Closing · 05/05/2024 18:21

YouWereAlwaysOnMyMind · 05/05/2024 14:59

I see no bashing from vegans on this thread. They have offered helpful advice. It’s the non vegans that are the issue.

I see no bashing from vegans either, only weird comments from non vegans on the vegan board. 🤪

Theres loads of good vegan breakfast options OP. As you have to be gluten free as well, have a google and try out some recipes.

soberfabulous · 05/05/2024 18:23

Get your own chickens! I'm vegan but eat chickens from my lovely garden girls. Never any others. They live their best lives and I know the eggs come from the happiest of girls.

napody · 05/05/2024 18:26

An egg from your own hen is far better for the planet than tofu- grown as a monoculture, processed and flown around the world. Just quit the dairy, keep the egg and don't worry about the label.

Lovinglife57 · 05/05/2024 18:30

soberfabulous · 05/05/2024 18:23

Get your own chickens! I'm vegan but eat chickens from my lovely garden girls. Never any others. They live their best lives and I know the eggs come from the happiest of girls.

Your not vegan

CountingCrones · 05/05/2024 19:11

Traceyallshot · 05/05/2024 09:26

so after they stop laying eggs or aren’t laying enough anymore, I know some are advertised looking for rescue homes, but what happens to the rest if they aren’t slaughtered? I get that there’s no meat on them but surely they aren’t all rescued? (Wish they were)

Sorry for the delay in replying. A busy weekend!

Layers are very expensive to feed, it takes a hell of a lot of food to produce eggs. As they age they lay a little less frequently. Unless people are prepared to pay more for eggs, poultry farmers cannot afford to keep laying hens past about 15 months of age.

They could live between 3-5 years easily, and some older breeds can be 8-12 years old (old mixed use breeds are heavier and more robust so live longer)

Over the past 20 years, increasing numbers of people have adopted retired layers. The hens can live happy healthy lives and lay plenty of eggs for a family who are happy to regard keeping chickens as “pets with a side benefit.” However, counting the cost of feed and housing, it’s not a cheap way of having eggs.

(Those of us who keep hens don’t care, we love our resident dinosaurs!)

Adopted birds are only a proportion of layers reared and culled each year in the U.K. Most are not adopted.

Eggs are easy nutritious and healthy forms of protein but there is cruelty as part of egg production. Male chicks are all killed as day-olds. Hens much older than a year are killed too.

The alternative to this is for everyone to pay more per egg. Then it would be economical to rear far fewer layers and keep them for longer. The males would still be killed, though.

As with all issues of consuming animal products, people have to find a solution that fits their ethics. I’m ok with culling day olds and keeping the spoilt divas in my garden for fresh eggs, but I recognise not everyone has the space or resources to do that.

Sorry for the long answer

EmmaGrundyForPM · 05/05/2024 19:23

soberfabulous · 05/05/2024 18:23

Get your own chickens! I'm vegan but eat chickens from my lovely garden girls. Never any others. They live their best lives and I know the eggs come from the happiest of girls.

You're not vegan.

dancingsands · 05/05/2024 19:28

goldenretrievermum5 · 05/05/2024 01:09

Veggie (will most likely go vegan over the next few years) here who is wishing that she could still eat eggs!! I love them and really want to like them again but unfortunately I can’t see past the fact that I am effectively eating a chicken’s period. It just feels completely wrong and I can no longer bring myself to eat them on their own, inevitably they end up in the dog’s bowl any time I try!

Ok now I'm put off

LunaFinnTeddyAndIndy · 05/05/2024 19:32

soberfabulous · 05/05/2024 18:23

Get your own chickens! I'm vegan but eat chickens from my lovely garden girls. Never any others. They live their best lives and I know the eggs come from the happiest of girls.

If you are going to eat eggs, this is a better way to do it, but you are definitely not a vegan.

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/05/2024 19:33

It seems logical to me to take that step (and I have no need to label myself Vegan, frankly I don't need the flack that the label often attracts) as while I can source eggs from chickens whom I know personally and know their welfare, I know that there are many occasions when that won't be the case,and I'd simply like to be egg free but need alternative breakfast ideas that I can learn to enjoy.

On those occasions, choose something else. I think if you're restricted anyway, and eggs are safe, and you know the chickens involved, find a food you can eat if out for breakfast, and stick to eggs at home.

TooMinty · 05/05/2024 19:35

I'm a vegan but if my friend had happy, loved hens living a lovely life then I'd eat those eggs. I'd just go egg-free the rest of the time when you can't guarantee the provenance of the eggs. Ditto milk, if I had my own cow who got to hang out with her calves and had a super life then I'd drink the milk and make butter/cheese from it.

leaflywren · 05/05/2024 19:39

tofu scramble is super easy to make and a good substitute for scrambled egg.

eggs are pretty easy to replace in baking these days - ground flaxseed and water mixed being one option, also google aquafaba (chick pea brine - can be used for allsorts like meringues instead of egg!) Try a few vegan cake recipes, you will be surprised how good they are.

I think it's about getting used to trying things without, in new ways. And then once you've done it once it becomes much easier! So just give a few recipes a whirl - there are some good vegan baking and vegan websites that will give tons of tips.

mitogoshi · 05/05/2024 19:48

We are all different, can't stand eggs but can't give up cheese!

Suggestions for veggie breakfast include potatoes, peppers, onions and Cajun seasoning with guacamole and avocavocado on toast

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