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Vegan babies/infants nutrition

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Bea1985 · 11/10/2017 18:44

Hi all,

I'm 32 weeks pregnant and have been vegan for c. 15 years. Ive been very stringent during pregnancy to ensure optimal protein, calcium, b12, omegas (algae supplements) and my iron levels are fine. I take pregnacare daily also. Baby growing well and very active.

Hubby has been vegan 35 years and we both know that a vegan diet is perfectly healthy if done right.

Neither of us were even vegetarian in childhood though, and babies / young children have different needs.

I'm looking for advice from nutritionally aware vegan/vegetarian mothers, links to any (non-biased) information would be helpful too. I believe wholeheartedly in veganism for adults and abhors the meat and dairy industries, but I cannot take any risks with the health of my child. I read so often that "it's fiiiiiinnnnnne" to bring up a vegan child, but sometimes the attitude seems a bit blaze.

I intend to breastfeed for a year minimum, after that I'll be going back to work so it will reduce but will try to keep going. I'm assuming that if I am well nourished and have plenty of calories and fat (plus watching vit. and mineral intake as described above) my breast milk will in turn provide everything needed for my baby.

However, My key concerns (post weaning) are-

Vegan diet so high in fibre that not enough calories/fats can be consumed by a young child
DHA
EPA
Complete Proteins
Calcium
Vitamin d
B12
Having a fussy child that will limit their diet even more
Worrying about my child's nutrition taking over my life!

How have other vegan mums proceeded? Have any of you introduced the most ethical dairy possible (I know that's an oxymoron) for a bit of piece of mind? I'm considering relaxing slightly and buying some as-ethical-as-possible-even-if-expensive cheese etc, as small amounts might make everything sooooooo much easier.

Thoughts appreciated, really don't want to start a bun fight though!

Thanks.

OP posts:
TinklyLittleLaugh · 12/10/2017 11:21

Honestly, I think much of the meat industry is far more ethical than the dairy industry. At the farm where we buy our beef, the young cattle have a pretty idyllic life out in the fields until they are slaughtered. Dairy cows often have an appalling, living hell type existence. Yeo valley have one of the best welfare scores for dairy products. I think it is possible to carefully source temporary additions to your vegan diet.

I wouldn't worry too much about the breastfeeding either: most people who get good support and information are fine with it. I didn't do any research about formula, or buy any bottlefeeding equipment when I had my kids.

Vegangelist · 14/10/2017 14:49

OP, I am sure you must be aware of Dr.Greger of NutritionFacts.org - nutritionfacts.org/ - if not, please have a really thorough look around his resources - and your mind will be set at rest. A whole-foods plant-based diet is optimal for all. www.pcrm.org/ is also a great resource.

Also a good Fb page: www.facebook.com/VeganChildren/?fref=ts and a group: www.facebook.com/groups/VeganParentsUK/

My kids are seven and two and lifelong vegans. Not so much as a sniffle for either of them. Robust, energetic, fit and thriving.

I'll also say it's most likely you will BF with no problems - do seek BFing support in advance so you know who to call if you need help.

Kokapetl · 14/10/2017 20:53

Lots of useful advice on here.

One major thing to add- make sure you and baby get enough iodine. It is very important for brain development. The best vegan sources are seaweed and if you don't eat much of this it can be hard to get enough without supplements.

I agree with those saying research breastfeeding as much as you can. I know more women who have had problems breastfeeding their first baby than who have had no problems! The majority of these (including myself!) managed to get through these and go on to exclusively breast feed for as long as they wanted to but around 1 in 20 genuinely can't. You might want to look into donor human milk just in case, depending how strongly you feel.

Hopefully you will manage to breastfeed ok. I would say that going back to work doesn't need to stop you giving your baby/child breastmilk! I went back at just under 5 months, part time and managed to do without formula with a combination of expressing and feeds before and after work. She did start having cows milk at 1 yr but it wouldn't have been too hard to have carried on as we were.

We did baby led weaning which has possibly helped both DC with eating a wide range of vegetables, pulses, nuts (butters and ground up nuts when small) fruit, grains etc. They both love tofu too! Although we gave them dairy, eggs and fish too (DH is Omnivorous but we have no meat in the house) I think it would have been possible to raise the vegan. It would have taken a concerted effort though and DH and my Mum were against it.

kikisparks · 27/11/2017 14:00

I was raised vegetarian, was at a stall yesterday and met a couple of perfectly healthy from birth vegans, you should not need eggs or milk to raise a vegan child but you do need to be informed. The only time I think you’ll need to be flexible is if you cannot breastfeed as it may be better to use cows milk formula than soya formula- best to ask health visitor.

I am not a nutritionist and don’t have children yet, you should do your own research but the important bits are:

B12- get enough yourself when breastfeeding and you could wean baby onto junior soya or oat milk at 1 year, other milks not recommended as too low calories and rice milk can be too high in certain metals. Also children’s cereal is usually fortified (watch out for D3 or be flexible on that if you choose). Nutritional yeast and marmite both are usually fortified with b12 as well as naturally containing other b vitamins so are good options to flavour foods.
Iodine- sea vegetables (I.e. kelp in smoothies), iodised salt, organic baked beans, organic potatoes.
Fats- peanut butter, coconut cream, coconut oil, avocado, seeds and nuts
Omegas- flaxseeds or flax oil or algae supplements
D- sunshine, mushrooms and fortified foods I.e cereal and soya or oat mik
Iron- tofu, pulses and leafy green veg (I.e. kale, cabbage, spinach, lettuce, spring greens, broccoli etc), dark chocolate- each always eaten with a source of vit C to improve absorption, cereal usually also fortified
Calcium- tofu, pulses and leafy green veg
Selenium- Brazil nuts (1 a day meets rda), spinach, mushrooms, pinto beans, brown rice, seeds
Magnesium- leafy greens, bananas, squash, sweet potatoes
Zinc- beans, chickpeas, lentils, tofu, walnuts, cashew nuts, chia seeds, ground linseed, hemp seeds, pumpkin seeds, wholemeal bread and quinoa

I haven’t done the others as vegan diets are often higher in other minerals and nutrients (and actually in some I’ve listed like magnesium and iron) than a standard British diet.

So what I would take is that any vegan child should probably have a diet high in leafy green veg (in soups, smoothies, salads, cooked one pot dishes and as a side dish) ideally a variety as they vary in how high they are in each nutrient. These foods are also higher in protein than other veg. Some should be sea vegetables for iodine.

Also pulses, again a variety- in soups, dishes, added to salad, in hummus or pâté even roasted and seasoned as a snack, and some tofu. Again as well as essential nutrients these are fairly high in protein foods.

Finally nuts, seeds and fat sources such as avocado in a moderate amount. Nuts and seeds are also decent sources of protein.

Along with a couple of portions of fruit and a couple of other veg and a small amount of grains (cereal, seeded toast, couscous, pasta, rice, oats etc- wheat is highest in protein)

And soya or oat milk, perhaps with soya or coconut yoghurts.

Ideally everything organic to have higher quantities of nutrients.

Salt should be iodised version.

Use of meat subs such as vegan quorn shouldn’t be problematic if once or twice a week.

Finally occasional treat foods like crisps, sweets, chocolate, fortified chocolate soya or oat milk, vegan ice cream, custard, biscuits, cakes etc. Probably not necessary nutritionally but imo important from a social point of view so child isn’t left out.

To reiterate this is not the advice of a dietician and is from my own research and just how I plan to raise my future child.

Hope all goes well!

Rotorevolution · 27/11/2017 18:45

I think a vegan diet will be fine, young children tend to need higher fat than you or me. Nut butters, avacados, homous etc is great for little ones. I think you’ll also need to full term breastfeed, even if you are working this can be done as they will just feed more when you are home.

Blackteadrinker77 · 10/12/2017 10:55

One thing you didn't list is AHA and how to get the AHA level in to your breast milk. It is one of the hardest parts of vegan breast feeding. A mix of flax, walnuts and canola oil each day can help you hit it.

Vegan diets can be very healthy as long as you ensure that you are getting the minimums in which it sounds like you understand.

WhereistheWit · 10/12/2017 18:29

www.firststepsnutrition.org/pdfs/Eating_well_for_veg_infants_for_web.pdf

My bible for raising my two kids vegan! Good luck

Tedster77 · 10/12/2017 18:46

Hello! You sound educated and sensible. I’m a HV and work alongside a vegan HV and can recommend www.firststepsnutrition.org/newpages/Early_Years/eating_well-early_years_vegans.html

There is no vegan formula. They all have Vit D in sourced from sheeps wool (I think it’s sheeps wool - I’ve had a few mulled wines 😂).

I had one vegan mother on my caseload very distressed when breastfeeding didn’t work out fully - but her baby was loved, cherished and mixed fed and all was well in the end.

Good luck! X

Tedster77 · 10/12/2017 18:46

Lol WhereistheWit crosses posts!

dkb15164 · 12/12/2017 00:24

I'm not a vegan but from purées to finger foods, most parents feed their kids vegan without realising it (vegetable purees, carrot sticks, sweet potato fries). Make sure they're getting lots of leafy greens mixes in and no doubt they'll be fine. My mums a midwife and she said she always fed us avocados because they had everything young kids need. She also said that the only thing babies really need is a mothers love - detailed nutrition plans, fancy prams and Mozart toys won't come anywhere near close in value to what you're baby will get from you and your partners love and attention.

Chaosofcalm · 12/12/2017 10:45

When breast feeding you need extra calcium and vitamin D. Can’t help any more than that.

WhereistheWit · 13/12/2017 10:20

Wow I'd love a vegan HV. There is a vegan formula some parents import from France called Premiriz. But if I'm honest I'd maybe weigh up the environmental impact and cost of importing from France Vs using formula for a year and then switching to Alpro growing up soy milk.

For me the order goes:

  1. Breastmilk
  2. Donor milk
  3. Goats milk formula
  4. Formula
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