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relocating to london - advice appreciated

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emali · 16/10/2009 23:12

Hi

we are in Canada now and my husband is in discussion with his employer who wants to relocate us to london -- in Ealing area. we have 2 girls, soon to be 3 years and 1 year of age.

i sincerely appreciate your advice on areas to live. the key consideration is the quality of life for our girls, we'd prefer areas with parks, playground etc., and easy access to public transit.

if we go, initially i would be stay home looking after the girls but i'd like to start working in a few months-- hence public transit as i am not sure i can handle driving on the other side of the street! i'd appreciate information on daycare/preschool as well. how much is the cost, what are the hours, etc..if you can provide some links would be wonderful.

it's a big change and i felt a bit overwhelmed as we have a routine here, not sure how to develop one after the relocation. i'd appreciate any input.

Cheers
emali

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LovelyDear · 16/10/2009 23:16

ealing's a fab family destination. i don't have any specific recommendations but i know loads of people who LOVE it.

emali · 16/10/2009 23:43

thank you LovelyDear, so you consider looking around ealing should be our top choice? is the area safe?
i just realized that i need to consider school as well -- we are looking at being there for 3+ years so our oldest would have to start school there.
thanks

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LovelyDear · 16/10/2009 23:48

there are some great schools, private and state. you get relatively big houses with gardens for the money, compared with for example richmond, putney, sheen. they're all safe and very family-oriented and close to lots of green space. it's commutable and yet quick to get west out of london.

LovelyDear · 17/10/2009 00:01

this is a very popular private girls school
you can subscribe to the good schools guide for independent reviews of schools, searchable by location.
for state school information, look at ofsted reports as a starting point, but don't be put off by what they say if you find one you like!
for possible housing, use rightmove to get an idea of what you can buy.

emali · 17/10/2009 11:52

Thanks again for your reply,LovelyDear. I looked at NHEHS, which has very good ratings.
What I saw different from here is the kid start at 4 for reception, the go on to grade 1? Here kids start at 5 for kindergarden, then grade 1.
Do you know much about care for kids aged 1 to 4, before starting reception? Or where can I find such info?
Do you know in ealing area, is there public library, sports center, indoor swimming pool, community centers etc.? Are there easily accessible kids program/classes, such as music, dance, painting, etc.? I am not sure I will be able to commute to those things easily on the tube with 2 young ones, so local is the best.. Are most things walking distance?
Thanks again

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LovelyDear · 17/10/2009 21:18

i don't know specifics about ealing. there will certainly be kids programs, and a library, and community centre. i don't know about pools/sports. put a new thread with ealing in the title and you'll soon get lots of advice from locals!

here you start school (reception) in the year you will turn 5, starting sept 1. ie someone with a birthday on 1 sept would be the oldest in the class.

LovelyDear · 17/10/2009 21:21

i don't know specifics about ealing. there will certainly be kids programs, and a library, and community centre. i don't know about pools/sports. put a new thread with ealing in the title and you'll soon get lots of advice from locals!

here you start school (reception) in the year you will turn 5, starting sept 1. ie someone with a birthday on 1 sept would be the oldest in the class.

theyoungvisiter · 17/10/2009 21:29

Hello, I live in London (I live in North London, so don't know much about Ealing - but West London is very nice). I would start a new thread with Ealing or West London in the title as London is so big, you want people with specific area info to click.

Public transport in London is generally excellent - there is a good bus network, tubes, trains etc and West London is generally well-served. Obviously some areas are better served than others but you are never far from a link.

Childcare is unfortunately very expensive - 3 year olds are entitled to 10-15 hours free nursery care a week (usually 5 mornings a week), although some local authority nurseries offer more.

Otherwise private nursery care will cost about £60-75 a day for a 1 year old, a registered childminder will cost about £50 a day, and a nanny will cost about £10 net an hour, so about £14 an hour if you factor in tax and national insurance.

Children start school the September after they turn 4 and the hours are usually 9-3.15 so if you are working full time, after school care is a must. However some schools offer wraparound care - after school clubs and breakfast clubs. This can be an important factor in choosing a school.

Driving - seriously, don't worry about it! You will find it's much easier than you think, particularly if you are in a UK right-hand-drive car. I drive on the continent all the time on what is, for me, the "wrong" side of the road, and rarely have to think twice about it. A couple of short trips, and you'll be away. It's harder as a pedestrian, paradoxically, you will probably find yourself looking the wrong way at junctions at first.

theyoungvisiter · 17/10/2009 21:31

If you haven't already done so, try posting in mumsnet local also - on the tabs at the top of the page.

BlurredBoundaries · 17/10/2009 21:47

Emali, have a look at http://www.ealingtoday.co.uk/default.asp this website.

It has a property section and a Forum on which you could post a request for information.

Chiswick is another area to look.

Also here is a link to Ealing Council which wil give information about state schools and pre-school care in the area you choose to look. Lots of Ealing Borough schools are popular and over-subscribed so the catchment area in which you live could be important if you do not go for private education. There will also be information on libraries and local leisure Centres e.g. Gurnell. There are also private leisure centres e.g The Park Club, Virgin Active.

Ealing has lots of families so there are numerous pre-school classes/playgroups to attend. The NCT website has some information on this (also look on the Ealing W3 website for classes.

Don't forget you can use Google Streetmap to look at lots of these areas. It does cover most of these streets.

Hope this gives you some more avenues for your research!

BlurredBoundaries · 17/10/2009 21:51

Oh rats, I'll try that first link again. Serves me right for not previewing

Ealing Today website

starmucks · 17/10/2009 22:06

Hi Emali. I live in Chiswick which is beside Ealing. West London is, almost as a rule, extremely family friendly. There is a huge concentration of families in the area, which makes it great to live in but also highly competitive for both schooling and housing. Another thing you'll discover about London living is that there can be huge variation even within what seems to be a small area. Ealing is actually huge and with that some parts are nicer that others. It does however have an excellent transport network with two tube lines. You should also check out Chiswick and Kew. From a school's perspective you may be better off in Chiswick- half of which falls under Hounslow borough and has better state primary schools. It's also better for private schools.

emali · 18/10/2009 07:23

thanks LovelyDear for your answers again. yes i do want to get a feel of things in general, so not area specific information is great. with DH's job in ealing, it helps to narrow down area to look for housing though.

thanks to theyoungvisiter for the information on the childcare. yes i think i would have to learn to drive as planning to walk everywhere isn't realistic. we are moving to a big city not a small town
i need to further understand the pre-reception childcare for my girls, as where to look for public/private daycare, what are the pros and cons of each.

BlurredBoundaries, thanks for the great local websites, and yeah for google street maps! there are quite some useful information on those local sites.

it seems to me each Borough is like a city, as within the "Borough", there are many smaller "areas". I'd start a thread with local on more detailed areas within Ealing.

Hi Starmucks, Chiswick looks very nice with the park and the river.thanks for the tip on the reality of school and house situation. do have a question though, where is Kew? which borough does it fall under? i can't seem to find it in the area map. maybe we could be neighbours;)

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starmucks · 18/10/2009 07:32

I though Kew was under Hounslow, but if that is not right, it could be Richmond. On the map look for Kew Gardens. Your assessment that every borough is like a mini-city is spot on. They each have their own character.

girlsyearapart · 18/10/2009 07:34

there are public pools in chiswick and richmond btw.

CallSignCharlie · 18/10/2009 07:53

Hi

I live in Ealing and love it love it love it (for all the reasons everyone has said).

However, if you were not looking at independent or faith schools, then all the state school places are allocated strictly by catchment area so it's definatly worth checking which catchment area any property you are looking at is in.
As a very rough guide

North of Ealing Broadway - lovely area, relativly pricy housing, 2 very good schools

South of Ealing Broadway - convenient for shops, very nice area, wide range of property,

Northfields - more property for you money, slightly less convenient for major shops, 'outstanding' state school.

HTH

BlurredBoundaries · 18/10/2009 09:27

Kew is south of the river between Chiswick and Richmond. It is in the Borough of Richmond Upon Thames.

There is a gentle rivalry between those who live north of 'the river' (i.e. the Thames) and those who are south of it. We each think we are living in the best place

Everyone knows though that North of the river is best

Haven't looked at house prices in Kew for a while but a few years ago they were a lot for not a lot of property. Very lovely area though.

TwoSilverBalloons · 18/10/2009 09:39

I too live in Ealing and love it. It is amazingly child-friendly. Chiswick is very nice but much more expensive and without quite as much open park space.

With kids, as CallSignCharlie says, Northfields is probably your best bet. From there you can walk into the main shopping area in 20 mins (via two lovely parks), there are lots of good/outstanding state schools nearby and every street is crammed full of families with kids!

JuliaL · 19/10/2009 18:14

Just another vote for the Ealing area really. Although I live in the cheapest pocket of houses in the area - technically Brentford, adjacent to the large Gunnersbury Park, 15 mins walk South Ealing or Acton Town Tube, 15 mins walk to Kew Bridge (good overground to Waterloo) Easy access via buses to Chiswick. 30 mins easy walk to Ealing Broadway for shops or Kew Retail Park along the banks of the Thames. Kew Gardens is 20 mins walk door-to-door and my children go to school at Strand on the Green in Chiswick (excellent by the way). But, then there are lots of great schools. The state sector has many 'outstanding' rated infant/primary schools and it is relatively straightforward to get a place. When I moved by DS halfway through year one from another school I was surprised how easy it really was. Incidently, apart from a weekly shop at a supermarket for bulky goods I go everywhere by foot and three wheeler pushchair. Very easy and very lovely walks whichever direction you go. Good luck with your search and eventual move.

emali · 22/10/2009 08:36

thanks BlurredBoundaries and starmucks for your reply again and kudos for you who love where you are -- Ealing!! i wish i could simply change the title of this thread to relocating to west london or ealing!

sorry haven't followed up for a few days, being feeling a bit under the weather. did manage to search on the rightmove site a little and the impression is Chiswick is pricer than Ealing. even though the "pound" is lighter those days, the real state is still quite a "heavyweight" in your part of the world.. definetely want to have more "bang" with my bucks!

hi, CallSignCharlie, thanks for the summary on different areas of ealing, this is really what i am looking for. to me major shops aren't a big deal for everyday life. with kids, i don't do much shopping anyhow. groceries can be done over the weekend. initially DH and i were thinking not to have a car, but now i think we would still need a car for weekend getaway and shopping etc.. or taking the kids to various classes and activities. i just need to step up to drive.

hi, TwoSilverBalloons, thanks for the verdict on northfields as well, i do need to look into this a bit more when i feel up to it and the kids give me some alone time. park and playground and access to different playgroups/activities are top of my lists to keep the kids happy and you know when they are happy our lives are easier;)

hi,JuliaL, do you have any insight why brentford is cheaper than other areas? sounds like it's working out for you very well! Gunnersbury Park looks huge on the map, and Kew Gradens must be lovely.thanks for sharing your walks with notion of time to give me good ideas on the distance. also i learned a new word pushchair! i have a three wheeler as well it can only take one child though and i think i may need a double pushchair to walk longer distance. i love walking.. sorry get a bit distracted now. do you mind me asking, if you are in ealing, how would your children go to Chiswick for school? i assume Strand on the Green is state school, as they have a ofsted report? does ofsted only work with state schools? i somehow get that impression..

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BlurredBoundaries · 25/10/2009 15:37

Brentford is in the Borough of Hounslow, as is most of Chiswick. So schools come under the same applications process.

Brentford, imho, is less expensive than some areas mentioned because it is further out of the centre of London, is more recently 'up and coming' (through development and investment in the area), has no tube station, just a mainline train station.

You are right that children living in one borough would usually not go to a shool in another borough. In general terms, children go to the nearest school in the borough in which they are resident.

In reality (particularly around here), many parents are aware of which are the best state schools in the local area and try everything they can to get their children into a particular school, even if it is in a different borough. Some parents will rent close to a good school in order to get a place. I know others who remain on the waiting list and get their older sibling in on an occasional place that comes up, this then bumps up their younger child on the waiting list.

Places at any of the outstanding schools here are very oversubscribed - even more so with the current financial climate and parents struggling to pay private school fees. House prices near outstanding schools are also higher.

The admissions criteria for offering places in Reception in Ealing. These vary according to the school you apply for and depend on what type of state school i.e. a church school will have certain religious requirements like baptism and regular church attendance, etc.

Entry to private schools will be dependant on the date on which you registered i.e. 'first come first served', ballot or by assessment. Many will register with a private school before their children are a year old.

With regards to a car, there are lots of car clubs starting up now. Also Treetcar. Basically, you pay a joining fee, then just book a car for an hour, half a day, weekend, etc and pick your car up from it's parking space, then return it when finished.

emali · 27/10/2009 06:56

thank you BlurredBoundaries for your ever so helpful reply and links. the problem is that i am really at a loss to determine how to find "good" primary schools.. www.ealing.gov.uk/services/education/schools/primary_schools/ is great, as it has a list of all the primary schools and inside i can find the DCSF's achievement and attainment table, and its ofsted report. the problem is i don't know how to judge the school's performance based on that info.. the ofsted report has the "score" for each area they inspect, which seems more useful..
please bear with me.. how does a londoner know about the good schools? from word of mouth, experience.. i did a google search on school rank, didn't fin much either..
thanks again.

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Tambajam · 27/10/2009 07:06

I'm a North Londoner but just wanted to pop in with your last question.
If you download the ealing primary schools admissions handbook or 'primary schools prospectus' which is a pdf file on the Ealing site you'll find a table of information on previous years admissions. Another handy indicator on the best schools is how many admissions they receive for each place and how far away their admissions come from. How many appeals might be interesting too.
Then go to the LOCAL mumsnet board for Ealing and start a new thread to discuss individual schools.

emali · 27/10/2009 08:01

Thanks, Tam! if you didn't point it out to me, i would never find that file and not to mention the smart way you are using it.. demand and supply, to deduct what i want to know.

another question, for a school, how do you find its catchment area? This page can find out whether a house is in its catchment or not. for me, how would i determine which shool the house is "caught in"?

one more question, what's the different between freehold and leasehold? i meean, how does leasehold work? what are the downside? should we just avoid that type? who is it usually leased under? for how long?

TIA

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Tambajam · 27/10/2009 09:22

I suggest you phone the Ealing primary admissions officer (or email) and ask for a overview of how the catchment areas have worked out the previous few years for a particular school you are interested in. The primary admissions officer can look on their system and tell you which schools stand a good chance from a certain address so once you have a postcode for a residence (or can grab an example of one) they are a useful resource.
Leasehold is more common for a flat/ part of a house. The freeholder still owns the land but you have bought a lease of perhaps 100 yrs. In some cases you have to pay a service charge and contribute to external renovations. If you are looking for a flat you may not be able to avoid a leasehold and they are pretty standard in London. I lived in a house where I had 'share of the freehold' with the other 2 flats. I wouldn't fear a leasehold although it feels weird for people coming from areas where they are rare.

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