Holiday in Cornwall

[Pollydaydreamer]

Looking forward to going back to Cornwall when all this is over, Concerned now, Cornwall Council has now lifted the dog ban during the
summer months. Now a serious health risk for all the children playing on the beaches not only being antisocial but absolutely disgusting.When dogs defecate on the beaches regardless if it's picked up, it leaves a trace of excrement or grease obviously dire if diaorrhea, this then all becomes bacterial and ingresses into the sand regardless of coastal washing the bacteria stays in the sand and never dies.

So don’t go on the beach? I’d assume that Cornwall council has conducted risk assessments and has solid reasoning for this decision, probably focused on the needs of the local population rather than tourists.

Well, when my dog defecates on the beach, I manage to pick it all up regardless of whether it is normal excrement or diarrhoea or whatever ... it's so easy on sand, you just pick up a bit of sand with the poop if necessary! Do you have a phobia OP?

Or maybe this is Cornwall's latest way of telling tourists to Fuck Off this year

It has amended not lifted after extensive consultation. It isn't personally what we wanted but it was what the majority of people wanted. From 10-18 beaches will be dog free and over peak summer months again longer on the main beaches.

Thought this was mumsnet not hagsnet.
Genuinely concerned for children's welfare, Children playing in dog excrement not acceptable not only is it antisociable it’s a health risk. Health risk assessments? Councils banned dogs from children’s recreation play areas other Councils have banned dogs from football and rugby fields. Cornwall Council have still banned dogs from Blue flagged beaches? Not sure your aggressive comment about the “tourists” with 9 million plus dog owners yes I am sure they all want their dogs to go onto the beach but do they want their children, their grandchildren playing, digging and eating in dog excrement?

You do realise that there are other wild animals and creatures that poop on beaches and in the sea as well right?

Yes but they are not on the end of a lead?

I think unfortunately it is what it is at this point, in fairness to the council the consultation was well publicised and there will still be dog free hours although I would have preferred 20.00 personally. Some of the quieter beaches over the summer are ones where dogs are welcome all year around and are cleaner than some of the main beachs. Depending on where you stay you may just need to vary your beaches that you visit! To be honest I'm just hoping we get to use the beaches this year dogs or no dogs!

So what difference does a lead make?

There is bird shit, Fox shit, cat shit, rat shit, dead fish and shellfish strewn all over the beach. Full of bacteria. And more often than not human shit too in the form of beer cans, bbqs and left over food and rubbish (if nothing worse)

Who does the health risk assessment for that lot, exactly?

You better stay away from the beaches completely if you're really that concerned, coz your problem isn't really the dogs on a lead, they come with humans who clean up after them.

Are they making it compulsory for us to go?

If not, I think I've come up with a groundbreaking solution to this problem...

Okay few more points: Dogs who visit the beach can become sick or even die from consuming too much saltwater. Cornwall council said they are going to erect additional new signage to all entrances to the beaches warning the health risks of dog excrement.
A new survey of 2,000 UK adults has revealed the top 50 most common childhood memories. Heartwarmingly, family memories have taken the top three spots, with Christmas dinner in first place, closely followed by going to the beach and visiting grandparents.
So for my grandchildren who love the beach what’s their family memories going to be: went to the beach for a holiday and got covered in dog shit, then had diaorhea for the rest of the holiday.
bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-45146017/man-s-leg-amputated-after-dog-poo-got-in-wound

Humans (inc the child version) can also get sick and even die from consuming too much saltwater....but it's up to the responsible adult if both to mind them.

Of the 2000 people surveyed that voted beach number 2, didn't seemingly have any issues with dog poo on the beach otherwise it wouldn't have been number 2, right? And as they are adults there were likely no restrictions of management of dogs on beaches at all when they were children. Barely even life guards, god only knows how they survived.

Your link references a man on a rugby pitch, not the beach.

Next.......

Okay yesterday’s comments. The existing dog ban worked well dogs in the winter and people in the summer. Your comments: 1. scooping up dog excrement with the sand? You're always going to have traces of dog excrement left behind in the sand, the bacteria will become alive and stay in the sand regardless of tidal washing the bacteria never dies. Seawater upsets the dogs digestive system and causes diarhoea perhaps a day or so later, so scooping up diarhoea your comment was “with a spade” I think a builders shovel and a wheelbarrow or perhaps ask one of the children on the beach if you could borrow their spades. 2. Have I a phobia perhaps I have, do you have a phobia with people enjoying themselves on the beach? .3. Dog leads - You are knowingly allowing your dog to defecate on the beach knowing it is antisocial and disgusting and could cause conflicts whilst going to contaminate the beach. 4. Other animals and sewage on beaches: The seaside looks after its environment and has its own biodiversity
to take care of the rotting side of things. Yes sewage, plastics and dog excrement are a huge issue and are all manmade, the latter is easily resolved. Foxes: if I said I have never seen a fox on the beach I expect 9 million dog owners will say they have. 5. You wanted the dogs to defecate after 8 oclock. Doesn't matter what time they defecate they are still going to contaminate the beach with bacteria, a health risk. 6. Don’t go to the beach - So by your reasoning is that all the locals and the tourists alike using their beach “don't go on it” I am a selfish dog owner and I allow my dog to defecate on the beach regardless of other peoples’ wellbeing.

There are 9 million dogs plus, which is the largest number ever the same amount of dogs as children so there's a one in one chance that your child is going to come into contact with dog shit on the beach. They list on the internet 10 plus diseases associated with dog excrement the main being toxocariasis. Do your own research on line and you see the horrors caused by dog excrement!

OP do you not realise that humans, especially little ones, wee in the sea? Think of those germs!!!! Read up about polio transmission in the early 20th century.
I do think you're over reacting. I'm a dog owner and someone whose children loved beaches - doggy or not

The previous dog ban was a confusing set of rules which were different for each beach. They are now more harmonised to mean a wider ban across most beaches but just for the peak two months. As a dog owner and parent happy with this. And as a Cornish resident I bothered to take part in the consultation

Cornish ancestry, parent, grandparent and dog owner, the rules are still different for all the beaches. The blue flagged beaches dogs are still banned as the Council don't want to lose this status. If you are referring to the survey was there a mention of the health risk to the public or ownership of a dog? With 9 million dog owners of course people are going to opt for dog poo on beaches. Ask the lady in Cawsands is she happy when her son lost his sight in one eye from infection from dog poo. The two months you mention regarding the Beach ban in July and August the dogs still can defecate up to 10am and after 6pm during this time.

Thought this was mumsnet not hagsnet.

Gosh, what incisive debate. Surely no point for anyone to discuss beyond this lucid point?

Beaches are left far filthier by the people using them than by responsible dog walkers.

Yes, OP, your life has indeed been ruined by dogs on beaches, and so have the lives of your grandchildren and all future generations of your family.

Perhaps you should try addressing Cornwall Council on this point, though, rather than Mumsnet?

OP do you not let your DC/ DGC play on grass in parks etc? That is just as likely to have residues of dog poo.

Plenty of children play in the same garden that their own dog(s) shit in. There will be residues on the grass. Yet the wards of children's hospitals are not full of children with illnesses caused by dog poo.

Hi Deepest apologies to everyone, dropping this thread perhaps was over the top. Got annoyed with some of the rude comments, Polly

As someone who lives in Cornwall, the dog poo is nothing compared to how much rubbish tourists leave on the beaches every Summer and Easter.

If you don’t want to risk your child being near dog poo, you have to avoid every pavement, park and outdoor area anywhere.

Why can’t dogs go on beaches? It’s almost always the locals that pick the dog poo up.

I didn't say anything about a spade

I would welcome consultation from Cornwall Council on how to keep batshit off the benches.

^beaches

North Cornwall resident & dog owner. We've all clocked how much the locals pick up during lock down. I think this has really highlighted how carelessly visitors treat our local spaces.

Bacteria from dog poo never dies? What, never ever?