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Taking the train with 2 under 4's. Am I crazy?

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Cluelessat30 · 08/06/2014 21:51

I'm concocting a trip to see my sister along with my 2 DD's (3.5 & 17m). What I need to know is if rail staff will help me on and off the train. It would only be one change luckily, but I'll need to collapse the pushchair, and get the girls on safely. I have a crazy notion that I'll be able to fit our stuff in 2 backpacks and wear them traveller style, so one on my back, one in front of me. Maybe I'm deluded about that bit! Does anyone have any experience of this and have any hints to pass on? TIA.

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Helpys · 08/06/2014 21:53

How far is the journey? It sounds perfectly viable from what you've posted so far.

LiberalLibertine · 08/06/2014 21:54

It's do-able, if you need help ask for it,I wouldn't rely on the staff particularly, but ordinary people will always help.

Is it a long journey?

Cluelessat30 · 08/06/2014 22:02

It'll be around 2.5 hours coming in to Euston. The change is near home. Youngest has a streak of mischief in her, I think my main concern is her deciding that it would be the BEST fun ever to bolt as I'm trying to get us on and off. And I can't rely on DD1 to hold her hand as she's too young, plus DD2 can sometimes be funny about holding hands with her sister.

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LiberalLibertine · 08/06/2014 22:05

Yeah, they're likely to be driving you mad by that point!

I just did an hour and half trip with 2 changes and a 6&3 year old, never again I have to say!

MegBusset · 08/06/2014 22:08

Get each of them a Little Life backpack - they have reins so no need to worry about them dashing off, plus they can carry their own drinks and snacks :)

I used to get the train with my two at that age as we lived in London, I have to say I never collapsed the pushchair, just had the little one in it and wheeled on/off, parking the pushchair near the doors on the train. I made sure I never travelled at rush hour, and usually found people happy to help (don't count on there being any staff nearby, just ask other travellers)

Cluelessat30 · 08/06/2014 22:09

Oh god! I'm such a lily-livered coward. I really want to do this, but v nervous of having 2 days of stress and not enjoying the trip.

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OutsSelf · 08/06/2014 22:10

I do a tube, rail then metro journey which takes about 4 1/2 hours. We don't use a buggy, we have a wrap for my 1 year old and my 3 year old walks. I have a backpack and a shoulder bag.

We take a laptop for films and a few books, crayons, dice. I keep telling DS what to look out for and how far we've gone etc, to ward against the feeling there's just an endless wait.

IME, other passengers and train staff are great. When you get on, as the conductor if she can find out which platform you need to find for your change. I've had conductors variously move us to first class, come and manage us off the train, get colleagues on stations to meet us and help us on a change, give the children free food and drink, etc. None of it solicited, by the way. They're usually fab if you've got a connection and your train is a bit late too, they help you with your stuff, find out alternative connections. Once they even held a connecting train specifically til me and other passengers from our late running train got on.

We use the trains often and I'd say a six hour trip is about the limit of what I'd consider, alone with my two, we've done an eight hour one on holiday with other adults and children. But you can probably judge that one yourself, what are you two like?

MegBusset · 08/06/2014 22:10

It will be fine! People travel with babies and toddlers all the while, it doesn't sound like too long a journey, and kids love getting the train :)

Cluelessat30 · 08/06/2014 22:11

I never considered reins! What a great idea. And yes, if trains are empty I'll be leaving the pushchair up.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 08/06/2014 22:14

Why do you have to collapse the buggy?

The staff prolly won't be able to help beyond pointing out the disabled access which you can use provided someone with a disability doesn't need it. Apart from that, buggies can go in doorways. People just move em from one side to the other if they are in the way.

StarlightMcKenzie · 08/06/2014 22:16

If one child is IN the buggy as you get on and off you'll find it easier.

StarlightMcKenzie · 08/06/2014 22:16

And Euston gives you plenty of time if you get there early.

Cluelessat30 · 08/06/2014 22:16

They're good girls, but very fidgety in general. I'm hoping the smallest will sleep on the longer journey. I will have to have a timer for the tablet as they both love that for games. Well- DD2 loves to slap it and see what happens. OutsSelf, yours sounds like a nice positive journey.

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Cluelessat30 · 08/06/2014 22:19

I think its going to be busy on the return journey, which is why I'm considering what I'll do if I have to collapse the pushchair.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 08/06/2014 22:28

Also, doesn't at least one back pack hook onto the handlebars of the buggy?

OutsSelf · 08/06/2014 22:30

Oh, if you're.going into Euston, there's a good.chance you'll.be on a Virgin, the staff are usually brilliant, it's their 'thing'. Other passengers are usually very kind, too. My eldest was a bolter but would.be.too concerned on a station, they are.quite intimidating places. He's stopped bolting as I stopped.chasing, but you have to be fairly iron stomached to resist chasing on a station. If.you can manage.it the looks of.horror, fear and catsbum on other passengers can be quite an effective parenting tool.

Cluelessat30 · 08/06/2014 22:35

Starlight, it's a lightweight buggy so it depends how heavy my bags get! Hopefully I will be able to wheel it on the train. Thanks to everyone who posted, it's feeling a little more feasible now!

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NCToProtectTheInnocent · 08/06/2014 22:38

It's not lily livered to be nervous of the unknown or to run through all the worst case scenarios. In fact, it's probably helpful to do a worst case, what would I do? type thought exercise. It would help you to work out how to minimise the chances of the worst case event happening, like the excellent suggestion of using reins or a Little Life backpack with built in reins mentioned above.

It IS do-able but it wouldn't hurt to plan, prepare and over prepare. Then you can laugh at yourself when you arrive at your sister's and none of your fears came true but you still will have been able to do it, because you know that you can cope even if everything that can go wrong, does because you have A Plan.

I took my eldest 2 DSs on the train to a small festival when they were 3 and just turned 5. It was a 2 hour trip into London, a tube connection across London then another 3 hours on the train out the other side. All that with 2 children, a tent, sleeping bags, pots and pans, food for 4 days, all our clothes and stuff to entertain them on the train. It took a bit of planning and taking some deep breaths before the potential flash points like train changes but it went swimmingly. Apart from the suspicious looks because I was toting huge bags on the Underground less than a week after the 7/7 attacks.

Look at it this way, the actual boarding and disembarking of the trains is a couple of minutes. Why miss out on a lovely couple of days away and a catch up with your sister because of a handful of minutes? Plan how to do it by yourself then if anyone offers to help it is a load lightening wonder. Offers to help tote my bags, hold a child's hand while I got the other on board, lift a child up the steps or stow my bags somewhere so I could get the kids settled in their seats came thick and fast on every stage of my journey. It was actually lovely to see how many people from different walks of life were willing to help, really affirming and reassuring of the innate goodness of people.

For the actual board part, I would suggest going with your idea of traveller packing your bags, then walking together to the door and opening it, before picking up your youngest if she is the bolter, grabbing the folded buggy with the other hand with the reins handle around your wrist and your eldest holding onto the buggy as well. I found "can you help Mummy carry this as its really heavy and you are so strong and such a good helper" to work well for that ;)

Reserve seats on the train. Position yourself on the platform roughly where your carriage will stop. Get on at the door closest to your seat numbers so you don't have to try and wrangle bags and kids down narrow aisles any further than necessary. Once on, move in short hops. Everything in stages. Get to the door. Get on. Get to the baggage compartment. Stow your bags. Get to your seat. Get settled.

You can do it, overwhelming as it seems at first glance.

StarlightMcKenzie · 08/06/2014 22:39

Oh yeah. I've on,y ever had a light weight buggy. It's usually essential that there is a kid seated to stop it tipping, though when there's not you can out your bag on the buggy seat.

MrsPear · 08/06/2014 22:49

I go from London to Dorset via 3 trains with 2 boys quite often - last time aged 18 months and 4.6.

Go online and check station access. That is why I do three trains instead of two - no steps!
Try not to travel through the rush hours.
Small one in buggy - try to do longest bit in their nap time.
Get older one to pack a small bag which they carry - magazine with stickers, small cars and people plus snack and drink are popular here.
You don't get great internet connection on the SW trains you may be lucky or down load and fully charge!
Pack as lightly as you can.
Ask staff at station where the disabled carriage will be located and get on there - hope no one else needs the two spaces.
Keep youngest in buggy!

You will have a great time

MrsPear · 08/06/2014 22:51

Oh and I took a large weekend bag last time which I am going to change to a large walkers style backpack.

momb · 08/06/2014 22:52

I'd suggest that instead of weighting yourself down with 2 backpacks you out small ones on the DC with reins, and get a lightweight wheely suitcase (like an airport carry on bag: 50x40x20cm) for your three year old.
I travelled on planes and trains with mine at 3 and under: they will surprise you with how much they can (and want to) help from about 3, given the chance.

Littleoaktree · 08/06/2014 22:53

I do much longer journeys across France and change in Paris including using the metro on my own with my two and it's fine, you just need to plan and be prepared. I carry the younger one (who was 16mo last time I did it) in a manduca carrier, have all our stuff in one suitcase which can be stowed in the luggage racks and stuff for the journey in a large changing bag on my shoulder. Ds1 (now 5) has been doing this reasonably regularly since he was 6mo and thinks it's a great adventure, he now carries a small backpack himself with his toys/books for the journey in. He holds one hand and I hold the suitcase with the other hand, as ds2 is strapped to my chest he can't run away.

When getting off a train I get the suitcase off first while ds1 waits by the door and then get him off. Getting on the train I put ds1 on first and then the suitcase and me/ds2.

Make sure you have absolutely everything you need for the journey easily accessible in your shoulder bag. Have plenty of snacks and a range of different things as the attention span is quite short I find. Having a walk up and down the train a couple of times usually entertains ds2 and stops him getting too fidgety.

I also pay for a seat for ds1 even when I didn't need to so we have two seats between the three of us. When I did it with just ds1 when he was about 2yo and I only had one seat for the two of us that was an awful journey.

Personally I find travelling with a buggy on mainline trains a nuisance which is why I prefer to have ds2 strapped to me so I have two hands free for luggage and ds1.

You do need to pack as light as possible but at least this time of year you don't need bulky coats etc.

Good luck!

Coveredinweetabix · 08/06/2014 23:05

I take my two (4 & just 2) on the train a fair bit although always for shorter journeys but have become an expert at getting on and off. One thing which amazes me is that people may not offer to help, they may push to get on before you and may stand blocking the exit when you are trying to get off and not think about stepping to the side, let alone lifting down the pushchair. I don't think they're necessarily being rude just that, as ours is a commuter route, they are on auto pilot and are so non-pluses by seeing a women and two young DC that they forget what the decent thing to so is.
In the worse case scenario, you're going to have to be able to get all of you & your stuff on & off quickly. I'd say DC2 in the pushchair, DC1 on reins, you wearing a rucksack & have a wheelie suitcase. Doors open. You get DC1 to climb on (bear in mind she may need to be swung up) & she stands just inside the door whilst you tilt the pushchair up &, as soon as the rear wheels are in, you spin around & grab the wheelie suitcase. If there is another person waiting, you ask them (rather than wait for them to offer) to deal with the wheelie suitcase; two and you get one to deal with the wheelie case & one to lift the pushchair on whilst you get on with DC1.
Remember that, if it is a slam door train, either the last person into the carriage slams the door or the guard does and, if it is electronic doors, they cannot shut if there is something in the way so leave the pushchair handle or wheelie suitcase in the way whilst you do a quick check of "me, DC1, DC2, rucksack, wheelie case, handbag" and then you're good to go.

Cluelessat30 · 09/06/2014 13:02

Momb, I think DD1 will most definitely want to help, I'm going to pack her a bag to carry some things. I thought I might put her 'in charge' of carrying the puzzle books and crayons and maybe the snacks.

Coveredinweetabix, that's my general experience with trains, most people are in a rush and just don't consider that it would be nice to help- which is fair enough. Usually there is someone who offers to help (or respond to me asking for help). I've just never had to do it with 2 kids before. The change station has lifts so I'll be ok there.

I guess if I can guarantee my sister meeting me at Euston then she can wheel a suitcase while I sort the kids. Job done! Pushchair is a bit ancient and awkward to turn, but I'm loathe to buy a new one as DD2 wants to walk everywhere anyway. I can imagine her refusing to get in a few months down the line. Just in time for the rainy season. You know, the one that comes after this rainy season.

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