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How much tuition for grammar school?

38 replies

pizzanoodle · 26/09/2024 21:46

Hi everyone!
We would be interested to know how much tuition should one do to prepare for grammar school entrance exam?
And what are the best places to go to for tuition?
Thank you!

OP posts:
GoldenSunflowers · 26/09/2024 21:49

We bought the books from WH Smiths and helped our kids that way. It’s totally doable.

HighlandCow78 · 26/09/2024 21:49

It will be unpopular here but I honestly believe that if your child really needs extra tuition to get into a grammar school then they probably shouldn’t be there in the first place. It’s cruel to send a child to a place that doesn’t fit them academically, you’re just asking for issues further down the line. We didn’t tutor whatsoever - just went off DD’s own personal merit

boulevardofbrokendreamss · 26/09/2024 21:52

If your child needs intensive tuition they'll sink at grammar school.

Crazyeight · 26/09/2024 21:56

Ignore the pps. Most children have tuition. It's not about the content it's about the exam technique. If they're a strong student they still need guidance on the nature of the questions, the timing etc.

Greyyyybeornot · 26/09/2024 21:58

We didn’t go down the grammar school road, but the one local to us (north London) seems to require tuition to get a place. I doubt many sit for it who haven’t been tutored.

But op, sorry I can’t help you with your tutor question! Other than: I think the children from this north London grammar start in about year 4. And perhaps you could ask around locally for recommendations!

HighlandCow78 · 26/09/2024 22:01

Crazyeight · 26/09/2024 21:56

Ignore the pps. Most children have tuition. It's not about the content it's about the exam technique. If they're a strong student they still need guidance on the nature of the questions, the timing etc.

The vast majority of kids at DD’s grammar had no tuition. How do you expect a child to cope in an environment where they need extra coaching just to get in? The whole point of grammars is that they are fast paced - teachers do not spoon feed as it is expected that the intake will be quick learners who are able to largely work things out for themselves.

Tharshe · 26/09/2024 23:46

On the whole I think tuition is a great support if you choose the right teacher for your child. It completely depends on the family and the student though - and lots of parents get along perfectly well without a professional to assist.
I tutor lots of children for the 11+ and am very picky about who I take on. I won't work with families where the children aren't motivated and the push is coming entirely from the parents. Equally, when students are struggling academically and it's doubtful they'd reach the required standard then I won't hothouse them into intensive 11+ study. (Though I'll happily support them with their Maths and English skills and review progress as we go.)
The benefits of having a tutor, rather than doing it all yourself is that if they're worth their salt they'll be specialists who can organise the learning, provide a nice balance of challenge and nurture, point you towards the best resources and create an individualised, structured package so that you don't have to stress about it.
What really bothers me though is unscrupulous, unqualified tutors who'll accept anyone regardless of their ability. It's simply cruel to put a child under such intense academic pressure if they're not cut out for it. If you do opt for a tutor then make sure they do a baseline assessment and provide lots of regular feedback.
Feel free to message me if you've got any further questions. 😊

EasyComfortDishes · 26/09/2024 23:52

For a super selective we did a year of tuition 1 hour a week (plus obvs the homework the tutor set). That was fine. You want to make sure they’ve covered the material, done lots of practise papers and have nailed MCQ
exam technique for those first rounds. Some of younger DSs parents friends are talking about starting in year 4, for me that’s overkill. You’ll be tested only on stuff from y5/6 curriculum and a bright child will pick that up in a year.

VeryStressedMum · 27/09/2024 00:00

HighlandCow78 · 26/09/2024 21:49

It will be unpopular here but I honestly believe that if your child really needs extra tuition to get into a grammar school then they probably shouldn’t be there in the first place. It’s cruel to send a child to a place that doesn’t fit them academically, you’re just asking for issues further down the line. We didn’t tutor whatsoever - just went off DD’s own personal merit

I tutored my dc for grammar and they didn't sink once they got there.
I wouldn't sit an exam without revision and preparation so why on earth would I send my child in without the same
They need to know exam technique, timings and what will be on the paper - if they're going to sit the exam at least give them a chance to succeed.

I don't believe you can tutor a child beyond their capability if they can do the work they can do the work, their capability won't suddenly disappear once they start at a grammar.

Janedoe82 · 27/09/2024 00:01

I am in NI. Vast majority tutor. At least an hour a week plus schools also prepare. Many go on to grammars and the tutoring just continues

HighlandCow78 · 27/09/2024 00:06

Janedoe82 · 27/09/2024 00:01

I am in NI. Vast majority tutor. At least an hour a week plus schools also prepare. Many go on to grammars and the tutoring just continues

We’re in NI too - DD went to Methody and this certainly wasn’t our experience. I know of very few parents who tutored

HighlandCow78 · 27/09/2024 00:15

VeryStressedMum · 27/09/2024 00:00

I tutored my dc for grammar and they didn't sink once they got there.
I wouldn't sit an exam without revision and preparation so why on earth would I send my child in without the same
They need to know exam technique, timings and what will be on the paper - if they're going to sit the exam at least give them a chance to succeed.

I don't believe you can tutor a child beyond their capability if they can do the work they can do the work, their capability won't suddenly disappear once they start at a grammar.

My point is that if a child needs extra support now then they will likely need extra support over the years to come - grammars don’t tend to be good at this as due to high entry requirements the kids are expected to be self motivated and quick to learn by themselves.

You don’t need a tutor to revise content that a child is already comfortable with - that’s what school is for. Ours did practice papers under exam conditions on a weekly basis in class.

ouch44 · 27/09/2024 00:15

We're in Trafford. We prepared DC ourselves and they did a couple of kicks tests so they woundnt find the real thing so stressful.
Pretty much everyone in DC's school had a tutor for year 5. And we are surrounded by tuition centres.
Please don't send your kids though if they are not academically able. Some of my DDs friends started in set 1 and slid to Set 7! So bad for their confidence would be better off elsewhere.

EasyComfortDishes · 27/09/2024 09:26

They all have different systems. There’s one grammar school for each sex in this borough and certainly no teaching for the exam or practice papers in class. It also takes only 180 pupils out of 2000 ish that sit the exam so yes, you need to tutor. My son is thriving, tutoring finished in yr 6 as soon as he’d sat the exam and he’s now in year 8, going very well and won an academic prize last year. The tutoring is literally to get familiar with how to sit an exam, practice the different creative writing techniques etc, and cover all the material by the beginning of year 6 that they might not yet necessarily have done in class.
The results from the grammar are very good so I don’t think they are all failing once there.

hazelnutlatte · 27/09/2024 09:42

I think it varies by area - in Gloucestershire there is absolutely no preparation in primary school and parents have to actively choose for their child to take the exam - so everyone needs to do some tutoring to get familiar with exam technique and also to learn things that are not yet taught in school (the maths for example is almost entirely based on things that are not taught until after the exam). Whether this is by hiring a tutor or working through examples yourself varies but children who have done no prep at all have no chance of getting in.
In other areas this might be different- it's my understanding that in Bucks children do a practice paper in primary school before the real exam, and that the exam itself is done at primary school as part of the school day - so everyone does it unless the parents opt out.

Dido2010 · 27/09/2024 15:00

Hi @pizzanoodle !

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MrsSunshine2b · 27/09/2024 15:45

Just buy the books so that your child can familiarise themselves with the question types then if there's any they are particularly shaky on you can get an independent tutor to target those areas. Either they'll get in or they won't, a tutor changes very little except your bank balance.

redtrain123 · 27/09/2024 16:31

Usually a year before the test.

i disagree that a tutor doesn’t help. In Kent, the tests cover things not taught elsewhere - verbal reasoning, non-verbal reasoning, plus maths at a higher standard than covered at school. Plus they prepare you for actually doing an exam, timings etc.

You can prepare dc yourself - buy books etc, but many use tutors. You use driving instructors for learning to drive, and this is in my any ways similar.

nb. Good tutors get booked up early.

There’s a superb website called

www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/advice-preparation/appeals/oversubscribed-school

Scutterbug · 27/09/2024 16:34

We didn’t tutor although a lot of people did. There was no prep done in school either. I think if you are bright enough you can get in without it.

Dido2010 · 28/09/2024 10:47

Hi @pizzanoodle !

Which area are you in? What are your target grammar schools?

Which types of entrance exam papers would your child face?

In answer to your questions, a lot depends on the nature and level of difficulty of the entrance exam papers and also the likely academic quality and volume of the competition.

For our child's school it was a case of a distinctive admission process for just one school. There were some 3,000 applicants for 100 places, with around 500 applicants of very high quality. There were four papers over two stages, with 300 out of the 3,000 qualifying for the two Stage 2 exam papers. The Stage 1 exam papers had brutal time pressure and some very difficult questions; one of the Stage 2 papers was essentially a GCSE style paper. The final scores were calculated to two decimal places as there was almost nothing to separate, say, Rank 60 from Rank 160.

So we used a Tutor and it worked very well.

Our top target school's prep was so hard and yet, once our daughter got used to that standard of working, the other schools' entrance exams proved straightforward. A new and different work ethic was established and she discovered what hard work could achieve - she could operate at a much higher level than any teacher at her primary school had ever let on! After that, the work at the grammar school itself held no fears and it all came naturally to her. She also learned eventually that every pupil starting at that school had been tutored and none found the school too tough.

For my two nephews - in a another part of the country - it was very different. The entrance exam prep was much easier but they still used a Tutor and both were successful. All their peers, too, had been tutored and none found that school too tough, either.

Bunnycat101 · 29/09/2024 11:40

I think people are quite variable by what they count as ‘tutoring’. There will be people who have spent an hour every week with their kids doing bond papers since year y who won’t have necessarily paid for tutoring but have been doing stuff with their kids. I don’t think you just can expect children to naturally be able to do the question technique without exposure to the papers or some extra support where that is parents or tutors.

Lovetogarden2022 · 30/09/2024 14:38

I haven't read all replies so sorry if this is a repeat of what's already been said! My daughter started with an hour a week of tutoring, and then we increased it to 2 hours a week from the summer holidays onwards. I think really it depends on the child and the school - my nephew was having about 1 hour a fortnight (he was already at a very good primary, and the school wasn't as competitive as some others!), whereas my friend's daughter was having 3 hours a week for her state grammar exam.

I was very much of the belief that we could 'tutor' for the exams ourselves (we both went to selective schools as kids, and have degrees and teaching experience so thought 'how hard can be?!' stupidly....)

We did start by going through the Bond books on our own with her but the knowledge that our daughter's tutoring company had and passed on to us was invaluable. The thing I didn't realise was that it's not just 'an exam'. There are so many different aspects to the 11+ these days, both for the grammars but also for the independent schools as well. We could have taught her the content, and I'm sure the books on their own are great for that, but they don't provide the technical support that is absolutely required for this type of exam.

expatinmys · 19/10/2024 16:53

Hi ...does anyone have any suggestions for a good tutor for the kent test or any good tuition centres?

Ozanj · 19/10/2024 17:07

It was possible 10-20 years ago to self-tutor a child into a superselective (I did it) but not any more. The top scores require tuition even when a child who has learned the content via their primary.

ShaunaSadeki · 19/10/2024 17:15

The exam where we live has content not taught until year 6 at state school and lots of children from private primaries take the 11+ and have been prepared at school.

Did 1 hour a week group lesson from about October in year 5 then 10 mins a day when we were at home in the summer holidays between year 5 and year 6.

It certainly wasn’t hot housing. If DD or I were less volatile we could have just done workbooks at home, but we are who we are and Covid homeschooling was just over. So we went with £18 pw for the sake of a more harmonious home.