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Lindsay Clancy case: was it evil, or severe mental illness?

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KellyK2026 · 04/09/2026 16:50

Lindsay Clancy, what do we all think? Pure evil or mentally ill?

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BingoJingo · 06/09/2026 22:08

Aluna · 06/09/2026 22:05

You sound as well informed on the LL case as you are on the LC.

I think I’ve come to the end of my patience.

Thank God for that!

BingoJingo · 06/09/2026 22:08

Aluna · 06/09/2026 22:04

You might like to read the testimony again.

Can't answer then? Thought not.

UserDownTheRoad · 06/09/2026 22:14

If we accept that postpartum mental illness or drugs can alter someone’s brain and diminish their capacity for rational thought or control, why do we treat other forms of brain alteration, like severe childhood trauma which happened to many serial killers etc, as NOT a valid defence?

I just think it’s a slippery slope to let people off the hook based on what they say their feelings were when they murdered their children.

BingoJingo · 06/09/2026 22:19

UserDownTheRoad · 06/09/2026 22:14

If we accept that postpartum mental illness or drugs can alter someone’s brain and diminish their capacity for rational thought or control, why do we treat other forms of brain alteration, like severe childhood trauma which happened to many serial killers etc, as NOT a valid defence?

I just think it’s a slippery slope to let people off the hook based on what they say their feelings were when they murdered their children.

I agree with this. I think it is highly concerning that killers can utilise a vague and unsubstantiated 'psychotic' episode as their defence.

If you hear the details of this psychosis it is clear that she in fact made decisions independent of this supposed 'command voice' in order to to execute the killings, such as the manner of death and choice of murder weapon, order of killings etc.

It appears to me that it was cooked up with her defence when she was in hospital after the deaths.

Why she is given an outpouring of sympathy for the cold and callous murder of her children is just unfathomable to me.

OpenScroller · 06/09/2026 22:44

BingoJingo · 06/09/2026 22:19

I agree with this. I think it is highly concerning that killers can utilise a vague and unsubstantiated 'psychotic' episode as their defence.

If you hear the details of this psychosis it is clear that she in fact made decisions independent of this supposed 'command voice' in order to to execute the killings, such as the manner of death and choice of murder weapon, order of killings etc.

It appears to me that it was cooked up with her defence when she was in hospital after the deaths.

Why she is given an outpouring of sympathy for the cold and callous murder of her children is just unfathomable to me.

Why did she obey this 'command voice', which she'd never heard before?

She was lucid enough to call Patrick back, while committing the murders, when she missed his call and answered his question without raising his suspicions other than she sounded 'busy'. Can you imagine his memory of that phone call after he knew what she was doing. Horrific!

Usually in cases where insanity pleas are used, the 'voice' telling the murderer to do these things is 'God' commanding them. Not a random man.

It's utter bullshit.

BingoJingo · 06/09/2026 22:53

OpenScroller · 06/09/2026 22:44

Why did she obey this 'command voice', which she'd never heard before?

She was lucid enough to call Patrick back, while committing the murders, when she missed his call and answered his question without raising his suspicions other than she sounded 'busy'. Can you imagine his memory of that phone call after he knew what she was doing. Horrific!

Usually in cases where insanity pleas are used, the 'voice' telling the murderer to do these things is 'God' commanding them. Not a random man.

It's utter bullshit.

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I totally agree. What Patrick has endured is beyond torture and the way he has been vilified and blamed is disgusting.

I think it is seems that people would prefer to believe that she was a victim of an outside entity commanding her to kill her children when all the evidence points to her doing it herself in control of her faculties.

How is it in any way feasible that she committed these killings under the control of a command voice but at the same time she was able speak coherently and rationaly to Patrick about the medicine he was collecting during these killings?

Utter bullshit indeed.

mulberrymilk · 06/09/2026 23:10

Aluna · 06/09/2026 16:04

She was given Zoloft and despite her bad reaction the dose was doubled.

When she was later given Prozac, another SSRI, she did not report a good reaction to it, no. She reported intensifying insomnia and anxiety.

Why she was re-prescribed it with that history idk.

After that she was given Seroquel (bipolar med) by a nurse practitioner which caused a significant turn for the worse which ended up in hospitalisation and the med was stopped.

It’s not that SSRIs may “trigger bipolar” from scratch but that they may trigger mania/hypomania in someone with an underlying tendency to bipolar. Just as they may trigger depressive symptoms in susceptible individuals.

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Are you a psychiatrist? Because I'm not.

She was given Zoloft in mid-September by her original psychiatrist and delayed taking it for two weeks, and then took it for one week - in early October 2024.

The sudden and brief "psychosis" with "command hallucinations" was in January 2023.

She was given Prozac at a very low dose (10mg) in November by another practitioner (psychiatric nurse practictioner). For example, my friend is on 300mg daily, and the usual starting dose as far as I am aware is 20mg.

Years ago, she had taken Prozac with good results, apparently.

Clearly she didn't continue with it, care of unpleasant side-effects.

The original shrink, Tufts, restarts her in mid-December along with a mood stabiliser which is the regime designed to temper the side-effects of SSRIs, as told to me by a shrink who was bipolar himself.

In amongst that mix was a slew of benzos and later some antipsychotics - which are among the drugs a person with bipolar might be prescribed, so I can't see how they (Seroquel, eg) would be the worst thing someone who was bipolar (which she has now been diagnosed with, after the fact, and frankly bipolar 2 is just another diagnosis, doesn't mean it's the right one) could take.

Why she felt the need to move from one to the other concurrently, when this is not the general practice and as a nurse she ought to know to stick with one psychiatrist or get another regular one to stick with, not see multiple doctors and prescribing nurses at the same time alongside one another beats me.

mulberrymilk · 06/09/2026 23:15

KellyK2026 · 06/09/2026 16:12

Nobody has said that you can’t participate on this Thread if you haven’t watched the full trial. But if you’re going to write barefaced lies, like ‘LC wrote in her diary that she hated her son’ be prepared to be called out for it by people who have done their research. Unfortunately rather than admitting they were wrong, some commenters have doubled down.

What about your "bare-faced lies" that you doubled down on and repeated at least half a dozen times if not more - happy to search them all out and repeat them in a long long post - about what the prosecution had to prove in this case?

OpenScroller · 07/09/2026 00:09

On reading a bit more on this case (I hadn't paid much attention until Friday), another things that blows her 'psychosis' defence out of the water IMO is that she threw herself out of the window when she heard Patrick come home.

She had gone into the bedroom upstairs, locked the door and put her smart watch in the dressing table drawer, then made the superficial cuts.

If she really was in the grip of psychosis she would have followed through and cut her carotid artery, as it seems that was her intention from her internet search, but couldn't go through with it.

From her smart watch, it seems she put it in the drawer at around 5.38pm as that is when the system last logged data indicating she'd climbed 2 flights of stairs an Patrick arrived back at 6.09pm so she was dithering for almost 30 minutes.

That shows she was in control of her faculties because if you were, you WOULD hesitate before cutting the major artery in your neck!

Maybe she hadn't planned for the scenario where she couldn't do it so Patrick coming home finding her alive?

She must have panicked when she heard Patrick come in and start knocking at the door, so threw herself out of the window, possibly not realising the implications of the grassy ground below being rock hard or not caring, because she was going to have to face the reality of what she'd done to their kids and that she hadn't been able to follow through with killing herself by the method she'd planned to.

That again shows rational thought.

The drop was around 13 foot and survivable. It was only because she fell on her head that she had such severe injury, but that may have been unintentional in the rush to get out before he got the door open and she had to face him.

Don't mind being corrected if I've got facts wrong.

mulberrymilk · 07/09/2026 00:17

OpenScroller · 07/09/2026 00:09

On reading a bit more on this case (I hadn't paid much attention until Friday), another things that blows her 'psychosis' defence out of the water IMO is that she threw herself out of the window when she heard Patrick come home.

She had gone into the bedroom upstairs, locked the door and put her smart watch in the dressing table drawer, then made the superficial cuts.

If she really was in the grip of psychosis she would have followed through and cut her carotid artery, as it seems that was her intention from her internet search, but couldn't go through with it.

From her smart watch, it seems she put it in the drawer at around 5.38pm as that is when the system last logged data indicating she'd climbed 2 flights of stairs an Patrick arrived back at 6.09pm so she was dithering for almost 30 minutes.

That shows she was in control of her faculties because if you were, you WOULD hesitate before cutting the major artery in your neck!

Maybe she hadn't planned for the scenario where she couldn't do it so Patrick coming home finding her alive?

She must have panicked when she heard Patrick come in and start knocking at the door, so threw herself out of the window, possibly not realising the implications of the grassy ground below being rock hard or not caring, because she was going to have to face the reality of what she'd done to their kids and that she hadn't been able to follow through with killing herself by the method she'd planned to.

That again shows rational thought.

The drop was around 13 foot and survivable. It was only because she fell on her head that she had such severe injury, but that may have been unintentional in the rush to get out before he got the door open and she had to face him.

Don't mind being corrected if I've got facts wrong.

That's really interesting about the timing.

It seems she did a whole lot of hesitating, after the enormous ruthlessness of killing her children one by one.

It also explains the amount of blood in the bedroom if she was hanging around in there dripping bits from her minor wrist lacerations for some time.

If she really was in the grip of psychosis she would have followed through and cut her carotid artery, as it seems that was her intention from her internet search, but couldn't go through with it.

Someone in the grip of psychosis wouldn't make a few little hesitation cuts that don't require stitching, they'd just slit their throat, successfully or not.

HoldMeFlat · 07/09/2026 03:06

Disappointed100 · 06/09/2026 08:48

Because she didn't know her children were hurt, or remember what happened?

Why would you ask for a lawyer if you didn’t know what you’d done 🤷‍♀️
she knew full well what she’d done. She asked to use the phone of the psychiatrist who was treating her to call Patrick to tell him she loved him and to say she heard a male voice telling her to do it.

HoldMeFlat · 07/09/2026 03:32

Aluna · 06/09/2026 08:52

And this is a classic example of the level of lay understanding of mental illness.

Absolutely not. As someone who has suffered throughout my life with MI, my dc has suffered, and been sectioned. I have experienced severe pnd, suicidal tendencies and dealt with my dc’s self harming I have every compassion and empathy for anyone suffering with MI.

i do not and will not however have sympathy for a murderer, MI or not. Yes I can emphasise that more could have been done for them or wish they got the help they needed. But to use it as an excuse and expect sympathy is just astonishing.

My granddaughters best friend was murdered at 7 yrs old by someone due to MI and off their meds. I will never forgive that person or have sympathy for them.

Disappointed100 · 07/09/2026 05:01

HoldMeFlat · 07/09/2026 03:06

Why would you ask for a lawyer if you didn’t know what you’d done 🤷‍♀️
she knew full well what she’d done. She asked to use the phone of the psychiatrist who was treating her to call Patrick to tell him she loved him and to say she heard a male voice telling her to do it.

This was all argued by both sides in the case.

BeethovenNinth · 07/09/2026 05:05

But why would anyone go to the bother of having three DCs - just to kill them.

I think any mother who kills her children is psychotic. There is no other explanation.

Disappointed100 · 07/09/2026 05:28

OpenScroller · 07/09/2026 00:09

On reading a bit more on this case (I hadn't paid much attention until Friday), another things that blows her 'psychosis' defence out of the water IMO is that she threw herself out of the window when she heard Patrick come home.

She had gone into the bedroom upstairs, locked the door and put her smart watch in the dressing table drawer, then made the superficial cuts.

If she really was in the grip of psychosis she would have followed through and cut her carotid artery, as it seems that was her intention from her internet search, but couldn't go through with it.

From her smart watch, it seems she put it in the drawer at around 5.38pm as that is when the system last logged data indicating she'd climbed 2 flights of stairs an Patrick arrived back at 6.09pm so she was dithering for almost 30 minutes.

That shows she was in control of her faculties because if you were, you WOULD hesitate before cutting the major artery in your neck!

Maybe she hadn't planned for the scenario where she couldn't do it so Patrick coming home finding her alive?

She must have panicked when she heard Patrick come in and start knocking at the door, so threw herself out of the window, possibly not realising the implications of the grassy ground below being rock hard or not caring, because she was going to have to face the reality of what she'd done to their kids and that she hadn't been able to follow through with killing herself by the method she'd planned to.

That again shows rational thought.

The drop was around 13 foot and survivable. It was only because she fell on her head that she had such severe injury, but that may have been unintentional in the rush to get out before he got the door open and she had to face him.

Don't mind being corrected if I've got facts wrong.

If she was aware and in control, why did her instinct of trying to break her fall not fit in?

mulberrymilk · 07/09/2026 06:22

BeethovenNinth · 07/09/2026 05:05

But why would anyone go to the bother of having three DCs - just to kill them.

I think any mother who kills her children is psychotic. There is no other explanation.

I've never heard anyone ask that question of male family annhilators - all of whom seem to have a similar weak stab at suicide afterwards, also.

A few minor lacerations, most not needing stitches. I don't think she factored in the hardness of the ground beneath the layer of snow when she went out the window someone here said it was 13 feet down.

The American usage of second storey has confused a lot of people who think they mean that, but in the US a second storey window is what we call a first story, ie one level above ground.

EasternStandard · 07/09/2026 07:20

BeethovenNinth · 07/09/2026 05:05

But why would anyone go to the bother of having three DCs - just to kill them.

I think any mother who kills her children is psychotic. There is no other explanation.

Well there is hence the need for a trial to determine NGRI or not.

Mazouzasou · 07/09/2026 07:21

Clarenewme · 06/09/2026 18:17

She had warning signs. If I had thoughts of harming my daughter I’d stay as far away as possible. I wouldn’t need someone else to tell me that. Where could she go? Hmmm literally anywhere away from her children until her condition was stable. Even if that takes a year or so.

I think that's so easy to say when it's not happening to you

Redheadedstepchild · 07/09/2026 07:32

mulberrymilk · 07/09/2026 06:22

I've never heard anyone ask that question of male family annhilators - all of whom seem to have a similar weak stab at suicide afterwards, also.

A few minor lacerations, most not needing stitches. I don't think she factored in the hardness of the ground beneath the layer of snow when she went out the window someone here said it was 13 feet down.

The American usage of second storey has confused a lot of people who think they mean that, but in the US a second storey window is what we call a first story, ie one level above ground.

Just to clear up the first floor/second floor problem, here's a picture of the actual window in question. This image was taken by Investigators and the ladders were placed there by them - presumably to give an idea of height.

Although I would have liked to see exactly where the ground started and what it looked like.

https://eu.patriotledger.com/picture-gallery/news/courts/2026/08/05/lindsay-clancy-murder-trial-day-6-testimony-exhibits-evidence-blood-stains-medicines/91178406007/

The full article contains images of the bedroom inside and are probably too sensitive for Mumsnet but I think that I'm safe enough posting a link to the text.

I'm not reading too much into the what is writtent, the crime scene photos are just what were taken by forensics. I'm just linking so you can see that I didn't just pick some random house.

Lindsay Clancy trial Day 6 murder trial exhibits, photos jury saw https://share.google/MNGODhzwbz7xkreRc

What photos the jury saw on Day 6 of Lindsay Clancy murder trial

The jury saw several exhibits during a sixth day of testimony in the Lindsay Clancy trial, including bloodstains and prescription pill bottles.

https://eu.patriotledger.com/picture-gallery/news/courts/2026/08/05/lindsay-clancy-murder-trial-day-6-testimony-exhibits-evidence-blood-stains-medicines/91178406007

Clarenewme · 07/09/2026 07:50

Mazouzasou · 07/09/2026 07:21

I think that's so easy to say when it's not happening to you

It isn’t easy, but it’s a decision you absolutely can make. Everything is easier to say when ‘it’s not you.’ She wasn’t in psychosis the whole time. She had options.

Disappointed100 · 07/09/2026 08:37

Clarenewme · 07/09/2026 07:50

It isn’t easy, but it’s a decision you absolutely can make. Everything is easier to say when ‘it’s not you.’ She wasn’t in psychosis the whole time. She had options.

She wasn't in psychosis the whole time. But she was seriously mentally ill the whole time.
Rational thinking, esp when the experts have told you that you're not a danger to them, and when you've been having days of feeling a little better, really isn't very likely.

mulberrymilk · 07/09/2026 09:02

Disappointed100 · 07/09/2026 08:37

She wasn't in psychosis the whole time. But she was seriously mentally ill the whole time.
Rational thinking, esp when the experts have told you that you're not a danger to them, and when you've been having days of feeling a little better, really isn't very likely.

The experts didn't tell her that she wasn't a danger to her children, she told them she wasn't having any thoughts of harming them - right up intil her last session with Tufts the day before she murdered them horribly.

She told her husband, and her mother - but she didn't tell her psychiarist or the slew of other medical professionals, therpists, or hospital staff involved in her care. (In the same way she didn't tell them she was getting scripts of multiple people she was seeing concurrently, or that she was seeing them).

They are not mind-readers.

MissMoneyFairy · 07/09/2026 09:08

Mazouzasou · 07/09/2026 07:21

I think that's so easy to say when it's not happening to you

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I'm sure everyone involved who knew she was spiralling and talked about harming her children wished things had been handled differently. The children should have been removed from her care or she removed from them. Her actions and any professional failings have destroyed many lives.

Disappointed100 · 07/09/2026 09:13

mulberrymilk · 07/09/2026 09:02

The experts didn't tell her that she wasn't a danger to her children, she told them she wasn't having any thoughts of harming them - right up intil her last session with Tufts the day before she murdered them horribly.

She told her husband, and her mother - but she didn't tell her psychiarist or the slew of other medical professionals, therpists, or hospital staff involved in her care. (In the same way she didn't tell them she was getting scripts of multiple people she was seeing concurrently, or that she was seeing them).

They are not mind-readers.

Apologies, you're right.
Altho she was clearly in a terrible place, and her perception was that nothing was helping her.

She believed the children being in care or her leaving would harm them. 😔

KellyK2026 · 07/09/2026 09:27

mulberrymilk · 06/09/2026 23:15

What about your "bare-faced lies" that you doubled down on and repeated at least half a dozen times if not more - happy to search them all out and repeat them in a long long post - about what the prosecution had to prove in this case?

saying LC wrote that she hated her son is a barefaced lie.

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