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Couch 2 5k type thing for horses

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KellyanneConway · 17/12/2023 19:16

I need to get my cob gradually fitter and less herd bound / feeling safer and more bonded with me. I want to take it slowly and build it up ready for spring. Can anyone recommend an app or anything's online really to help me put together a programme for him?

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twistyizzy · 17/12/2023 19:47

The best thing for fittening horses is hacking including up + down hills. I always follow the programme I was taught 30+ yrs ago combined with a low starch/sugar + high fibre diet. However it all depends on the starting point and what you need the horse to be doing at the end.

As an example:
So if starting from an unfit horse after a holiday and needing to get to a level of fitness for RC competitions:
Week 1 + 2 = 2 x 30 mins hacks in walk
Week 3 + 4 = 2 x 30 min hack in walk inc walk up + down hills. 1 x 20 min polework session in walk
Week 5 + 6. = 2 x 40 min hack in walk + several short periods of trotting uphill. 1 x 20 min polework session walk and trot
Week 6 + 7 = 2 x 60 min hack in walk + several longer periods of trotting uphill. 1 x 20 min polework session walk, trot and short canter
Week 8 + 9 = 2 x 60 min hacks with frequent trots + short canters. 1 x 30 min polework session in walk, trot and canter. 1 x schooling session.
Week 10 + 11 = 2 x 60 min hacks with a lot of trots and longer canters. 1 x 30 min polework /jumping in trot and canter. 1 x schooling session
Week 12 = 2 x 60 min hacks with lots canters. 1 x jumping session, 1 x schooling session

Fittening always works better and lasts longer if done gradually to prevent strain to limbs/skeleton etc.

KellyanneConway · 17/12/2023 20:31

Thanks @twistyizzy thats helpful. We don’t have an arena but the principles and timings are really useful.

I'm also looking for excercises that will strengthen our bond (only had him since July) and help him hack alone without calling for his mare friend who he’s very closely bonded with and fretting to get back to her ( he is a gelding) while helping with fitness

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twistyizzy · 17/12/2023 20:36

Groundwork is excellent for building a bond. You don't gave to ride in order to hack out, try long reining short distances around the yard then on/off the yard, if you build this up gradually then that should help a bit with the separation anxiety too.
For me the worst thing for them is lunging as it places stress on joints so not having am arena isn't an issue for fittening.

twistyizzy · 17/12/2023 20:36

Groundwork is excellent for building a bond. You don't gave to ride in order to hack out, try long reining short distances around the yard then on/off the yard, if you build this up gradually then that should help a bit with the separation anxiety too.
For me the worst thing for them is lunging as it places stress on joints so not having am arena isn't an issue for fittening.

CocoonofDavid · 23/12/2023 11:29

For fitness I don’t think you can beat walking. But not slouching along. Marching is the order of the day!

I personally think old school walking hacking, like they used to do with hunters, is under utilised. My personal experience comes from rehabbing a ligament injury three years ago, so I did SO much research/discussions with my vet/looking into fitness programs. I had the extra struggle that before I started my horse didn’t hack alone (but was brilliant in company). He now happily hacks alone up to 13miles and competes in low level endurance alone up to 20miles.

So personally I would do 6 weeks of walking hacking before anything else (assuming you’re starting from scratch or thereabouts, that your horse has no medical/soundness issues etc).

I would build up from doing a mile long loop (which should take you just under 20 min), to several miles, walking for 1.5-2hrs/5/6miles. Use any hills that you have, but introduce them slowly- both up and down are hard work and require core strength. If your horse struggles on the steep downhill to start, weave from side to side, rather than straight down. If he’s under confident or likely to nap, make sure your routes are circular or lollipop shaped, do not turn around and go directly back on yourself!

Everyone has different opinions on this, and horses are all different, but personally mine was more confident with a foot soldier when starting alone. Now, if you have a willing helper, they can walk with you (easy at the start as you’re only going short distances), and then increase the distance between you and them, so the horse is ‘alone’ gradually. If you don’t have a helper, start off with you walking, probably on the way out, when you’re horse is worried about leaving his friend, and then hop on on the return when they feel more confident, over time reduce the time you’re on foot, getting on board earlier and earlier until you can ride out of the yard.

If you are walking out/marching, it really will help his fitness. For example, we have a lot of steep hills near us. My horses heart rate can go up to 120 walking up v steep hills. That’s the same as a long canter on the flat for him- so it’s improving his fitness without putting any extra strain on his legs. Walking up hills uses more muscle strength than higher paces as they don’t have the forward speed/motion to help carry them. If (during the last few walking weeks) you want to make the exercise harder, put some halts in as you go up the hill.

Hopefully, by the end of the 6w your horse is feeling more confident in your abilities together and you will be able to ride straight out. At that point, you can start introducing trot. I start with 2 mins split up over the course of a ride (so a 15 sec burst, then 15 min later maybe a 30sec burst, etc etc). Every week add an extra 2 min, till you’re doing 15 min trotting over the course of a ride (that Will be about 2 miles of trotting). At that point, personally, I start being less strict and might then increase it by 3/4min the next ride and so on, as the % increase is less compared to the overall.

At that point (hopefully!) your horse will be feeling really good in himself, and finding the above easy. You can then start introducing short bursts of canter. Again 15 sec or so. Don’t aim for 1m to start with, s/he’ll tire and end up on the forehand. Gently increase it so he finds it easy. Lots of small bursts coming back to trot early whilst he still finds it easy, rather than trying to fit it into one block.

The ‘rule’ is to not increase your speed and distance at the same time, one or the other, mix it up over different rides.

Once you’re at the point where you’re both comfortable and happy hacking for a few hours, with 3 miles of trot and 1mile of canter in your hacks your horse will be fitter than the average ‘leisure horse’. You will then have a really solid base to add skill work in, eg schooling/jumping etc and you will have lowered his risk of injury. To start, it’s slow and takes a long time, but I think it’s worth it for the longer term benefits.

I would highly highly recommend a tracking ap. I use Equilab but there are several. You can then see what you’re actually doing- when I started I was vastly overestimating!! Eg you’d think you’d had a lovely long canter stretch, you’d done loads and he’d worked hard….. but when you looked at the stats later, it was only 43seconds!

As you build up your trots and canters keep an eye on his HR. Obviously a wearable monitor is ideal but not actually necessary. The HR drops quickly (or should do if you’ve built fitness up slowly). But you can always have a little look when you finish a long ride, check his pulse by feeling for it under his jaw. Get your phone timer on for 15 seconds and then x4 his pulse. As a guide it should be under 64bpm within 30 min or he’s been pushed too hard and you need to dial it back.

Having put the work in my horse has so much more confidence in us/ me and my ability to keep him safe and make good decisions for the both of us. And we were starting from a good place! (I think!!!) I’d already had him 7 years when he did his injury!! He’s now, in his late teens, stronger and fitter than he’s ever been and we are a much stronger partnership.

good luck!

KellyanneConway · 24/12/2023 10:04

@CocoonofDavid thank you that’s so helpful. My lad also doesn’t like hacking out alone and a foot soldier definitely helps but they are in short supply unfortunately. At the moment I am doing a lot in hand and trying to get him used to being away from the herd, particularly the mare he is very attached to but I might just bite the bullet and start hacking out in walk and getting off if he naps or starts calling and booking in my husband as foot soldier. There is a mile round route nearby he knows well but I got fed up with the calling and napping but will pick that up again.

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CocoonofDavid · 24/12/2023 11:38

Tbh if you think he is likely to nap, I’d start off on the floor, walking beside him, for mine that was keeping him safe before his stress levels rose to the point he thought of napping (Although other people say they feel they have less control on the ground, it’s personal depending on you/your horse and where you think you have the most control).

Try and make your outings pleasant- I don’t normally give mine treats really as he can get a bit pushy/tries frisking you- but in this circumstance I would. He’s food obsessed. So rewarding him with treats or a tasty bit of verge in the early days made out in hand walks something nice for him.

Depending on your horse, I found the best way of dealing with napping was to turn his nose to my foot and do a tight circle and then ask for forward again calmly and without getting stressed/upset/cross. If you tried getting cross/kicking on/smacking it ups the ante and his stress levels and he’d get wound up and walk backwards and would turn into an actual argument (that realistically I’m not going to win!) so keeping it low key and keeping his feet moving even if not quite in the direction I wanted (but not in the direction he wanted either!) kept the momentum but kept the anxiety levels down. Other people find turning them around and walking them backwards for a few lengths helps too.

If you hand walk the first 1/2 of the loop then hop on when you’re on your way home- he should be keen to get back to the yard then and unlikely to nap. Once you’re doing that happily you can start getting on a little earlier every time.

It’s tough and emotionally draining and motivation sapping. I stuck at it because I had to for his rehab- the first 6 weeks were in hand walking twice every day building up to 30 min. But doing it so frequently helped him with his confidence. That’s the other thing, I think you need to be consistent (which is obviously not easy in winter, especially with other commitments). But if you can mentally block book 2/3 weeks where you work on it every day or 5/6days a week you’ll see more progress than 3 times a week. Again, it’s boring but to start with I’d do the same route- boring but becomes safe for him.

Keep us updated!

KellyanneConway · 24/12/2023 12:44

Aw thank you! I’m not taking him out as regularly as I should, currently that is around 3 days a week as he’s on DIY and there’s only so many daylight hours I can spend at the yard/ with him but I am thinking of getting a sharer to help out. I wonder if that would help or hinder as introducing a new person might make him more stressed?

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CocoonofDavid · 25/12/2023 19:16

Hmmm…. In all honesty depends on the sharer- how experienced they are etc. I would be cautious because the last thing you want is someone who’s a bit novice-y sending him backwards with any progress you’ve made.

It’s tricky because a skilled, kind and experienced sharer, one who will improve your horse, well they are a bit like rocking horse poo, because they will have their pick of horses to ride because they probably have an extensive network of horse friends and friends of friends who know and value their skill snd horsemanship.

Many sharers, (and this isn’t meant as an insult, we were all there once, myself included) start sharing as a mid point between riding school and owning their own. So will probably be less skilled and experienced than you/someone who has already owned for a long time. Or possibly someone returning to riding after a break etc, and is a bit rusty/lacking in confidence.

In my experience, those sharers who have previously owned, and go back to sharing due to time/financial constraints have lots of contacts and (if they’re good), will have a lot of offers from those contacts. If they have lots of offers it’s likely that they’ll chose the ‘ready to go and enjoy’ horse, rather than something that’s a bit of a project (all things being equal).

So if it’s someone you trust and know (and know they are experienced in this sort of thing, skilled enough to handle the situation whilst projecting their confidence to reassure your horse) then it’s probably fine.

If it’s someone you don’t know, and is more novice-y then I wouldn’t risk it personally. I’d only consider it, personally, if it was someone I knew who I thought was ‘better’ than I was.

KellyanneConway · 26/12/2023 12:27

That’s a really good point as I was that sharer, in that semi-novice position of returning to horses and had been out of the game for a while. I would have been a lot more nervous about getting on a napppy horse than I am now. My boy came to me by word of mouth - was literally given to me by someone who was on the yard where I helped out. That’s why I know he is worth the work because at one time he was hacking out alone, jumping, bomb proof etc until his previous owner lost interest and left him in a field chilling with the herd pretty much since Covid. The people that come by the yard asking about loaners do tend to be kids and teens from riding schools.

I just keep hoping that I will win the lottery, be able to give up work and spend all my time getting him back up to his prime!

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JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 28/12/2023 11:38

I agree that walk hacks are great for fitness, a good brisk walk, as many hills as you can find, up and down, and increase the time you are out gradually. The napping will get better with practice but you could try to find someone to go with, I have met up with people stabled nearby to hack before because my horse is happy to hack alone.

I suggest Equilab to monitor how far and how quickly you are going but also Meg Parkinson's aligned rider academy has some great audio lessons on making your hacks productive and purposeful, as well as schooling while hacking. Keeping your horse busy can reduce spooking and napping so this is worth a try.

Roadwork is brilliant for fitness. You don't have to go fast, practice transitions and lateral work on a hill to increase the difficulty without adding speed.

OrlandointheWilderness · 28/12/2023 12:44

I've fittened hunters for years. I can't put it any clearer than @CocoonofDavid. Walking is vital - proper marching out for 6 weeks before introducing trot work. Once you start cantering you should be walking the first and last mile and doing significant amounts of trot/canter in between. Cobs will take longer to get hard fit but it is perfectly doable.
Don't skip the walking or be tempted to shortcut it!

Express0 · 28/12/2023 15:49

I’m going to have to leave my perfect yard as it doesn’t have any hacking and I need to bring my horse back in to work. People have told me to just get on with it via lunging and long reining round the school but I can’t bring myself to.

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