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Dd pony needs help with brakes when jumping

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Partiallypickled · 07/08/2023 00:59

Dd(10) has a gypsy cob. He’s a fab pony and her riding has really come on since she had him 12 months ago. He was quite nappy when we first had him but she’s worked really hard and they’ve learnt together and her confidence has really grown. He loves to jump and they’re great in a small arena or a couple in the field but as soon as there is a larger course he just gets too enthusiastic his head goes down he sets his jaw and he tanks around the jumps. She can turn him in a circle and get him under control but it does unnerve her. When she gets nervous she tends to stand up in the stirrups which just makes him more forward. Just wondered if anyone had any ideas on what we might work on to perhaps calm her nerves and get him more collected. She has lessons but in a small arena where the problem doesn’t occur. Thanks

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Lastqueenofscotland2 · 07/08/2023 07:32

I wouldn’t “bit up” as if your daughter is standing up is sending a horse forward. I also assume as many people do if she is standing up she’s gripping with her heels…
I’d work very hard on her seat sitting up and sitting deep at all times. I would (just in walk and on the lunge to start with) take her reins away and practice adjusting the pace just with her seat and legs.
A lot of ponies rush jumping because they are unbalanced and people mistake this for excitement. With this in mind I would do SO much work on the canter, teaching counter canter, collection, working on a good bend and changing the bend.

I would also do lots and lots of pile work rather than jumping there are loads of exercises out there. If rushing is an issue a super simple one (and the first pole can be a jump after a while) canter over a pole, have another start off with maybe 4 strides away but move it closer and they have to stop before the pole.

A good instructor is a must especially when there is confidence involved.

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 07/08/2023 08:05

Also a lot of gypsy cobs confirmation leaves a bit to be desired so it is likely really hard for him and he may well be rushing because momentum to get over (I assume) small fences is easier than engaging the back end and really pushing off and making a shape and that may never change but getting him stronger and more balanced in the canter will be a huge help

countrygirl99 · 07/08/2023 08:10

What Lastqueenofscotland2 said. As we.as pole work try some TREC obstacles. They are basically applied dressage so good for making flatwork a bit more fun and getting both horse a d rider engaging the brain. A mix of obstacles that are fast and slow are good for this type of pony.

twistyizzy · 07/08/2023 08:41

Definitely a schooling issue so maybe a better instructor? Lots of transitions, polework etc to get pony to shift weight more to its hind end however your daughter doesn't sound balanced either so lots of work without stirrups too. Maybe steer away from courses until she has full control + confidence.
How much hacking do they do together?

maxelly · 07/08/2023 10:40

Agree with others, the more work you can do to get them both in balance the better, I have experience with ponies of this type and their confirmation does work against them as they aren't built for riding at all never mind jumping, you want them light in front and sitting/collecting behind to be able to properly use a half-halt whereas their inclination is to pull on a downwards incline leaning on their shoulders (and the riders' hands!). Also, the rushing (although easily taken as excitement/excess of energy) always used to be 100 times worse with mine when stressed and/or tired (and if not particularly fit they do tire more easily than you'd think, I think with their thick gullets they can also forget to breathe properly), my little cob mare although a surprisingly good jumper for her type would curl herself up into a little ball of anxiety and tension and become a horrible ride into a fence as a result.

Why can she only have lessons in a small arena, I think it would be really helpful for an instructor to see what's happening in a course and coach her through it a bit, can you look at taking them off site if current yard only does limited lessons, does she do PC? Ideally with her jumping you probably want to look at pre-empting the tanking, so don't just set up a course, send them off and expect different results, build up more gradually and use lots of placing poles and grids to sort out the striding and fix the rhythm a bit for her. With ponies that get overly anxious or excited jumping it can be helpful to have fences up in the school and occasionally pop one in a small/low key way as part of schooling, then go back to flatwork so they don't equate jumping = tear-off every time (and accustoms the rider to the odd fence not being a big deal either). I wouldn't stick only to single fences but perhaps build up more gradually to courses, so do short courses of maybe 4 fences - it's easy to fall into the trap (esp if you're limited on facilities/space/time to set up) to only ever jump 1-2 fences at a time when schooling then suddenly leap up to 10-12 in a row when competing or at a lesson, but that must be confusing for the pony and like I say I think fitness (rider and pony!) is an often neglected issue, if they rarely even canter for more than a lap of the school at a time it's a big jump (pardon the pun) to then have the balance and puff to go for 2 mins solidly with fences in between (more if there's then a jump-off or if the teacher says 'go again!')

Schooling wise it's probably the same old thing you always need to do Grin, although helpful to have a diagnosis/tailored exercises from an instructor, lots of transitions focusing on teaching him to respond to the seat and not just the hand, and encourage him to try and 'sit' through the transition not just collapse onto the forehand. Lots of school shapes focussing on rhythm, balance and straightness/bend, basic lateral work, raised poles and cavaletti are great for getting some more push from behind. Lunge work and without stirrups would be good for your DD and her position/seat.

There are some good suggestions on this thread which asked a similar question a few weeks ago albeit a different type of pony:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_tack_room/4837690-bit-advice-pleasewhat-to-try?reply=127525698

Bit advice please...what to try | Mumsnet

Hi all DD11 is getting on really well with her new pony. In his previous home, he was only ever fired at jumps and did no flatwork at all, so natural...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_tack_room/4837690-bit-advice-pleasewhat-to-try?reply=127525698

liveforsummer · 07/08/2023 10:54

Firstly I'd work on the rushing off when she stands up. As someone who has spent a lot of time in racing, the forward seat is exactly how I'd slow a strong/rushing horse and am teaching my dc the same and how to bridge the reins. Make sure the hands stay low. You can work on this in the school and it's also good for balance (both dc and the pony) we do lots of it in trot with our cob cross youngster and my 10 yo when you pick back up normal position the back end really comes under. Assuming you're in a snaffle though I'd not be adverse to maybe trying a Wilkie or at a push a universal. There is definitely a power imbalance with a traditional and a 10 yo. The strongest horse I ever rode was a traditional cob who tanked along the beach with me at a time I was riding the strongest race horses in the yard as I managed them the best 😅. Also if jaw setting a grackle could be worth a try

Pleasedontdothat · 07/08/2023 12:26

We had this with DD’s eventer when we first got her - she’d been held together very strongly by the pro who’d produced her after breaking but her next owner was a not particularly effective teenager who let her run riot. By the time dd got her she’d take off at breakneck speed taking strides out everywhere and turning a two stride double into a bounce 😬. Dd had to go back to basics with her - keeping everything low-key and small, lots of grid work and as @maxelly said having a couple of jumps in the arena which they’d pop over at random times. For a while she was jumped in a Pelham and gradually over 2-3 months she calmed down and became a much more civilised jumper - by last winter she was jumping 1.20s clear in a snaffle. Looking at videos from when we first got her compared to a few months later it’s hard to believe it’s the same horse - so it’s perfectly possible to turn this around OP

Partiallypickled · 07/08/2023 23:28

Thanks so much for all your great advice. I know I don’t always get it right with Dd and it’s good to just ground myself. @Lastqueenofscotland2 he’s definitely unbalanced so would benefit from all you’ve said plus they both enjoy pole work as I’m conscious that it’s got to be fun. @countrygirl99 love that idea 😁 @twistyizzy we predominantly hack. We’ve been working our way through an old book called ‘Schooling while you hack’ as we don’t have our own arena. Never has a problem when hacking even in open fields even though he can try it on. @maxelly great ideas and yes she does PC. In the group lessons she’s had to work really hard to get him to listen to her and keep him in place behind the others, he’ll do the same given half the chance to get to the front but she has cracked that problem now. @liveforsummer excuse my ignorance 🙈 but I always thought you stood up and forward to make the horse go faster 😬. Interesting what you say about the difference when you go to the upright. Will give it a go. Good point about learning how to bridge the reins. @Pleasedontdothat Previous owner never hacked him but loved taking him over jumps set up in a standard arena over and over again at breakneck speed. He’s very clever. I think he thinks that’s how you do it. Dd is definitely more measured and less confident than his previous owner.

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CountryCob · 08/08/2023 09:19

All good advice and maybe try to find a quiet rider who can school the pony over the jumps? It might help both your child and the pony. I know many competitive riders who have another rider who helps and once I got my head around paying someone to ride my horse and found the right rider it is something I can see many benefits from. I don't mean to send away the pony but maybe try to find an instructor that also rides them? I would do this on word of mouth

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