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Comfortable cantering

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PrincessGraceless · 16/10/2022 19:14

As still a relative newbie to riding, I’ve had some great advice on here before, thanks - so here I am again. I work very hard on my lessons, and my instructors now say I can walk, trot, canter proficiently in the school, have a good seat, decent core, riding with seat etc. I would caveat that by saying I’m still v novice (and nervous/old!), but making progress.

To my question! I’ve started going on hacks at a couple of other places (for practical reasons), and I’d like to know how to be physically comfortable at canter. It’s not that I’m “uncomfortable” or in pain, but I find if I sit upright and with engaged seat like in lessons, I sometimes bounce a little bit (big bouncy forward horse today) and feel a bit tense (probably me - including nerves), which means I wouldn’t want to go too long in canter. It’s a bit jarring - for the horse as well as me I assume. Should I be sitting slightly forward and very slightly out of the saddle? Would that make it “smoother”? But I still want to feel I have control and am not making myself more vulnerable to becoming unseated if there’s a spook.

I will ask my instructor this, and sorry if this sounds a silly question, but I’m very keen to learn.

Thank you! (And I do love reading all the threads here 🐴 - learnt so much.)

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DotBall · 16/10/2022 20:06

Yes, slight light seat, heels down, use your core and seat to bring you and your horse back if getting a little fruity, but also relax and enjoy it. Mine bloody loves a good hoon!

DotBall · 16/10/2022 20:07

p.s. You will develop great leg strength in the end but may be a bit jelly to start with.

twistyizzy · 16/10/2022 20:12

You need exercises to release and relax your pelvic/glutes and hip flexor muscles. Either pilates or equipilates will do that. Also think of a slight hula hoop action with your hips rather than a backwards and forwards rocking motion. Don't sit heavily in the saddle as this will actually only serve to slow the horse down. You need to stretch your weight down without pressing downwards and at the same time male sure you don't have tension in the shoulders. Hence the pilates/equipilates to stretch and release muscles.

PeloFondo · 16/10/2022 20:13

If I'm out hacking then I would usually be cantering in a forward position, more like this
Schooling work is different

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PrincessGraceless · 16/10/2022 20:23

Great advice - and some info I hadn’t come across. Thank you!

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PrincessGraceless · 16/10/2022 20:36

PeloFondo · 16/10/2022 20:13

If I'm out hacking then I would usually be cantering in a forward position, more like this
Schooling work is different

Thanks. So as @DotBall says - would then use core/seat to bring them back a bit. Would you also half half? If felt needed to check speed etc?

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PeloFondo · 16/10/2022 21:13

@PrincessGraceless yes, usually half halt, sit up, depending what's needed
I would usually half halt first and then see

PrincessGraceless · 16/10/2022 21:24

PeloFondo · 16/10/2022 21:13

@PrincessGraceless yes, usually half halt, sit up, depending what's needed
I would usually half halt first and then see

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Postapocalypticcowgirl · 16/10/2022 21:27

If you haven't started using a light seat yet, I wouldn't try it without first discussing with your instructor- you need to get the balance right at slower paces before trying it in canter really. Also, some horses will take it as a signal to speed up even faster, so it may not help you feel secure. It is how most people canter out hacking though, and it is generally more comfortable for cantering over uneven ground. It's very secure, as long as you have your balance in the right place- which is why practice is important.

Most people sit in the saddle for canter in the school, absorbing the movement through their hips and core- this does take practice. It may be worth thinking about some lunge lessons so you can focus on your seat in the canter without worrying about keeping the horse going/steering etc.

PrincessGraceless · 17/10/2022 00:09

Thanks @Postapocalypticcowgirl - this is part of my concern ie re horse going faster! I take your point. I’m generally ok in the school, seem to absorb movement, but it feels different on a hack. Love a good lunge lesson.

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Pleasedontdothat · 17/10/2022 07:34

cantering on a hack does feel different to cantering in the school - you’re generally travelling faster, over more undulating terrain, the horses are more excited and you’re usually going in more or less straight lines (obviously tracks can be wiggly but you don’t have the tighter turns that you have in the school). It’s much easier to canter on a hack in light seat but it’s definitely something you want to practise first. I’m really missing cantering out on a hack - there’s nothing quite so exhilarating!

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 17/10/2022 09:39

I would definitely practice light seat in a school first, it can really unbalance people as well as speed a horse up which is not a great combo!

maxelly · 17/10/2022 11:02

Hi, like others say I def use a light seat when cantering out on hacks, it can feel much nicer and more 'with' the horse esp on a big mover, but I do still sit up for the upward and downward transitions as those are the bounciest parts and also have my eyes open for any hazards, anything that might make the horse spook or veer around or if s/he's getting a bit excited and at risk of throwing in a little buck or picking up too much speed, if so I immediately return to my much more 'defensive' upright seat with centre of gravity further back and also make sure I have a good hold of the horse's head and can keep that correctly up and on the vertical, looking where they are going, not down and looking between their knees. It's nice to let the horse stretch out a little, lengthen their frame and raise their back during a long canter, again the movement will usually feel smoother that way and more comfortable for them but you are more vulnerable to loss of control or balance particularly if you've allowed your reins to get long and the horse to fall onto the forehand a little which is easily done as a novice.

If picking up too much speed my order of things to do is ( first shorten reins up if too long), little gentle half halt first, just as a reminder, if that doesn't work return to upright seat position and stronger half halt, maybe a soft 'wooah now' voice aid, if that doesn't work big half halt, use both reins, body weight well back and down in the saddle, loud wooaah command (serves also to tell my hacking companion I'm being run away with so they can stop too which is as helpful as anything else usually Grin , also exhaling the word woaah in a soothing tone reminds you to breathe and not panic!), repeat until they slow down (remember when half halting, even when they're not responding, you do need to take and then let go, if you just take and take some more, hanging hard onto the reins in a panic they'll likely just pull against you more and not stop, so do a big take if need be but then an equally big release). If truly, urgently, out of control turn the horse's head and body using one rein to spin them in a circle, using a handy hedge or bush as a barrier if one is available (the one rein stop technique, useful to know and something to ask your teacher to show you although it's quite harsh on the horse's mouth and only to be used in genuine emergencies so not something you'd practice in earnest - I've only ever had to deploy it a few times in my life but it's worked both times)

So yes like PPs say ask your instructor if you can practice light seat (sometimes they'll refer to it as 'jump position') during your lessons, on the lunge if need be, you may find it hard work at first as requires quite a lot of leg and core strength to hold it correctly and not just flop forwards, I practice by doing one lap (or one circle if it's too hard at first) in 'normal' rising trot or seated canter, one lap 'hovering' above the saddle but standing up straight (advanced step, put your hands on your head if on the lunge to prove you aren't balancing on them), then one lap in light seat (arms out to the side like an airoplane if on the lunge). Think of the movement between the hover and the light seat as taking your bum and bodyweight backwards and over your legs, rather than folding forwards and carrying your weight over the horse's neck. You should at any time be able to snap quickly between any of the three positions without losing balance or relying on your hands to hold on. And like I say, don't forget to pay attention to your contact and where/how the horse is carrying himself as well as this will def affect your level of control...

Finally don't worry too much, it will come, feeling bounced all over the place is really common when you start out especially on a bigger moving horse than you are used to, any tension or nerves will make it worse (one of the hardest but most useful skills you can learn as a rider is how to relax your muscles when you are feeling anxious rather than stiffening up), anything you can do to improve your fitness and core strength will help, otherwise just saddle time and experience and you'll get there. There's no shame in just doing short bursts of canter and then stopping either, as a novice the people you hack with should be able to accommodate and TBH if you are on a nice big long striding horse he can probably keep up at a smart trot with a slow canter from a smaller horse anyway so if you need to trot for spells then fine!

PrincessGraceless · 17/10/2022 11:29

Aww thank you everyone (@maxelly you're amazing!) for being so supportive and generous with advice - this is super, super helpful! I have done some light seat in the school (need more practice!), but have never really been sure if it’s ok to deploy out hacking. Guess what I’m doing later? Going to the gym to work on core, legs, stamina - purely to improve my riding. I shall also look into equipilates. I’m nothing if not dedicated!

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twistyizzy · 17/10/2022 11:31

PrincessGraceless · 17/10/2022 11:29

Aww thank you everyone (@maxelly you're amazing!) for being so supportive and generous with advice - this is super, super helpful! I have done some light seat in the school (need more practice!), but have never really been sure if it’s ok to deploy out hacking. Guess what I’m doing later? Going to the gym to work on core, legs, stamina - purely to improve my riding. I shall also look into equipilates. I’m nothing if not dedicated!

Brilliant, so many riders overlook their own fitness and only think about the fitness of their horse. A fit, balanced rider is such easier for the horse to carry.

Polkadotties · 17/10/2022 14:48

Definitely practice light seat in a school first. It’s not just out the saddle and forward. Your centre of gravity has to stay over the middle otherwise you’ll be taking a flying lesson should anything happen

liveforsummer · 17/10/2022 15:00

Does the horse you are riding tend to have a neck strap? Either stand alone or part of a martingale or breast plate. I tend to pop my hands in that with bridged reins and helps you stay far more stable in your forward seat. You can slow down by simply squeezing your hands and using your core and the horses own weight

PeloFondo · 17/10/2022 15:52

If it helps you can practice it not on a horse, stand side on to a mirror and you can see how it looks and if you're in line too!

PrincessGraceless · 17/10/2022 16:06

WelI definitely don’t fancy Thelwellian-style flying lessons - thanks for the warning @Polkadotties
Yes, always a neck strap @liveforsummer - good thought!
I do have a mirror but not a horse, so will try this also @PeloFondo - do you have an example of what I’m aiming for (sorry if that’s a stupid question!)? I find in lessons, there’s jumping seat (I don’t jump yet) and galloping seat and hovering seat and I’m a bit bamboozled. I’m going to ask lots of questions at my next lesson!

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PeloFondo · 17/10/2022 16:18

Google is being unhelpful but if you watch Eventing videos on YouTube. It's the position they're using between jumps

Found these pics..

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