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Need advice on instructor

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Lolabalola · 24/07/2022 22:31

Can't post on hh as need to keep this anon.
I have a really lovely dressage instructor who is also now a very good friend. She has been amazing and taught me so much.
She is a great rider and rides psg so knows her stuff.
I have lessons every week on my horse and since I bought a new young horse she has been riding her a few times a week for me as well.
Thing is, I don't think my horse appreciates her approach. I have been getting very frustrated about her progress to the point of giving up and finding her a new job. She has been getting really tense, unsettled in the contact and losing forwardness. For various reasons I haven't had any lessons and she hasn't ridden her for a few weeks. She has been getting better and better and today we competed and did our best ever.
Am I overthinking this though, is it just a coincidence. Not helped by fact that I changed her bit as well right at start of this period.
I'm a bit loathe to have her ride in new bit as don't want her to lose trust in this bit though.
I think she isn't used to mares as she rides geldings and also my horse is only young and not as ready to be ridden/athletic as she is used to riding and she is asking too much too soon.
It's really tricky as she is great and rides beautifully, it's not like she is doing anything wrong, just think maybe not a good match .
Anyone have any experience of this? Could it be the case?
Argh, what do I do if so, not like she won't notice me suddenly stopping lessons etc
Don't know if anyone can help really, just needed to talk about it and can't IRL as all my horsey friends either know her or word would get around if I said anything and I don't want to cast any aspersions.

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maxelly · 25/07/2022 11:19

Hmm, couple of questions what type is your mare, WB or TB or cob or native? What are your aims with her, do you want to get to higher levels in dressage or more just want a nice safe fun all-rounder that's been correctly started? And does your instructor mainly only ride her own horses or is she experienced in producing youngsters for the amateur/leisure market?

The thing is with young or green horses it very often is one step forward and two steps back, when you are teaching them new things or trying to correct faults (which can be the case even with youngsters, if they have a confirmation fault or just a just a naturally incorrect way of going) sometimes tension will creep in if they are confused or resistant, it can't always be totally avoided. I wouldn't have thought it's a mare/gelding thing particularly, just a personality thing, some horses are stressier learners than others. A good rider should be able to school them through it in a kind, non forceful way, but that doesn't mean never asking the difficult question if you see what I mean. The reason I ask whether your instructor is used to producing horses for others is that IME pros when producing a horse for themselves or the professional market in general do often ride in a way many of us would find more forceful and directive than we are used to and different to how we would ride ourselves, it's not that it's wrong per se but it can then be confusing for the horse to swap between the two styles of rider so although the pro may get great results sometimes if you just want a horse to have fun on for yourself it may not be the best choice.

Either way, if she's such an amazing teacher and friend I would have thought she should be happy to explain to you what she's working on, if/why your mare is finding it difficult and causing tension, and what the plan is to correct. Different situation but my current older loan boy tends to be very hollow when tense, I'm constantly trying to get him to relax, I was surprised when his owner got on that she wasn't actively trying to get him to soften, if anything she seemed to be exacerbating it by taking up a really strong contact - she explained to me that part of the reason for the hollowing is his lack of straightness so it's important to correct that before worrying about where his head is, so she worked for a good 20-30 mins purely on straightness (he's stiff so takes a while), which he was a bit resistant to at first, but when he eventually loosened up he did also then relax into the contact much better and also was working more correctly overall - she and I were aiming at the same thing but taking different routes if you see what I mean?

I think a general, non negative conversation with her about how it's going would be a good first step, like I say any reasonable person would be happy to explain their methods and rationale (doesn't always come easy to a horsey person who may think it's self evident what's going on of course, but it's an important skill if you charge for producing/schooling horses for their owners!). I think on the whole if you do want to back out of having her ride the mare that will be natural enough, presumably it was never intended to be a forever arrangement, only while she's being brought on, and if you are happy she's now going as well as she ever has without instructor needing to ride, then that's the obvious answer about why you don't need her to ride any more. Shouldn't close the door to her restarting in future if ever needed? Lessons are a different thing, and again if you are happy with what/how she's taught you in the past why not keep having lessons even if she doesn't ride for you any more? Or just quietly book with someone else and if asked just white lie say the times/locations available from the other teacher were more convenient or your friend wanted someone to share with or you wanted to do more jumping and you know dressage is other teacher's thing or blame the cost of living or something along those lines (I've recently dropped a teacher who I tried out as an experiment but just wasn't digging, using exactly the cost of living excuse, saying I'm not having many lessons any more even though that isn't strictly true, I am still having lessons just not with her Blush ). TBH even if what you say is 100% right and instructor just doesn't get on or understand your mare, if you say that it will absolutely come across as personal criticism of her so I'd avoid that!

blobby10 · 25/07/2022 11:21

Just because a rider is top level dressage/showjumper/eventer etc doesn't mean they can automatically get the best out of any horse! Even Carl hester couldn't get the same tunes out of Valegro that Charlotte Dujardin did!. My Dads old instructor was a top level dressage rider and a long time family friend (went to school together) but it wasn't until he stopped lessons with her and went to a new instructor that he started going from strength to strength and is now competing in dressage comps at Advanced Level (he's 77). don't let your friendship cloud your judgement of what is best for you and your horse - you have to be the voice for both of you. x

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 25/07/2022 11:56

Depends upon your circumstances and how much of what you do she will see.

You could just not book anything else in and if asked blame finances. Then quietly pick something else up when you are ready but that won't work if you are on the same yard.

You could say that you want to shift focus with a view to trying some show jumping/showing/eventing/trec, but that may not work if you are a dedicated competitive dressage competitor with a purpose bred dressage horse and you want to have lessons with another dressage rider.

If your horse is young you could say you think your horse needs to slow down abit and would benefit from more variety.

You could easily stop the riding by saying she's done a great job and you now feel ready to take over the ride full time but that depends upon whether you want someone else to ride for you and whether you also want to stop the lessons.

A good instructor should recognise that people can benefit from different approaches and not be too negative about you having lessons elsewhere but not all manage to not take offence.

Lolabalola · 25/07/2022 21:25

@maxelly 5 yr old chestnut Welsh ( that explains everything 🤣)
Yes dressage is my thing really, enthusiastic untalented amateur but it's my passion and hobby.

I take on board everything you all say, need to have a proper conversation really and see what she feels etc.

I do have lessons with other people, via riding club or instructors that do monthly clinics. She doesn't mind at all, she isn't precious like that.

Have found a local teenager advertising tiding , am going to take her and horse to a few arena hires with jumps as think it might be fun for her and jumping shot my thing really. Just to mix it up a bit
We do hack and do the odd polework clinic

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DotBall · 29/07/2022 12:23

5 yr old chestnut Welsh ( that explains everything 🤣)
Quadruple whammy with her being a mare 😂 Good luck 🤣
How rewarding though when it comes right. 😎

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