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Buying a horse

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Chocolatecakeandcoffee · 05/01/2021 22:32

How difficult is it to find a suitable horse?! Went to view a couple of horses at a dealer (good reviews on Facebook page) one described as suitable for an average rider, the other as a novice ride. No ménage or fields to try the horses so had to try them on the roads. The first spooked 3x in 2 minutes whilst ridden by an experienced rider around quiet roads where it is often ridden. This horse was described as ‘excellent in traffic’. The other spooked 3x too! Didn’t bother getting on either. Is this normal? The dealer thought all horses spook and that it was fine to try a horse on the roads. What do you think? I’m buying my first horse...

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Cecillie · 05/01/2021 22:38

It's very hard
Like swimming with sharks basically .
Always check out dealers on the dodgy dealer page on Facebook , step one
Never buy unseen
Never pay deposit unseen, loads of scams at the moment
Check they have a school available before you visit
Never get on without seeing someone ride first
If they say they aren't a dealer ask for lots of photos of horse at different times of year and google mobile number
Take sensible friend as second pair of eyes and witness
Ask lots of questions before you go , preferably in email or text so you have answers in writing
Have fun Smile

Chocolatecakeandcoffee · 05/01/2021 22:55

Yes...if only I’d known this 24 hours ago! I’ve tried 4 horses in total so far...all nothing like their descriptions! I can see this is going to take a long time...

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Chocolatecakeandcoffee · 05/01/2021 22:55

Also, in lockdown can you still view horses?

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Trivium4all · 05/01/2021 23:23

Take your time, and if you can, take your instructor! Especially if it's your first horse, but in any case, another pair of eyes, and a more neutral pair at that, is a really good thing.

Cecillie · 05/01/2021 23:25

In theory no
In practice people are and loads more buying unseen.
I think if you can bear to wait then I would, prices are crazy high and horses selling really quickly. I think that will calm down once financial reality kicks in and new buyers realise the reality of having a horse over winter.
Having said that I bought a new one last month so don’t listen to me 🤣

Chocolatecakeandcoffee · 05/01/2021 23:25

Thank you both. I thought I’d go and see the horses then if I like one I’d take an instructor. Is it normal to have spooky horses described as novice rides?

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Lineofconcepcion · 05/01/2021 23:30

Op what sort of age are the horses you are looking at? It isn't normal to describe a horse that spooks that much as a novice ride unless they are young and inexperienced.

Cecillie · 05/01/2021 23:32

People will describe anything as a novice ride if they want to sell it !

Don’t be fooled by the dealers selling young cob Types as novice rides. Often they are quiet because they are very young and very green and they won’t stay that way once fed and fitter.
I honestly would not buy a novice ride from a dealer under any circumstances. They will either have horses that are young and green or that someone doesn’t want to sell privately because it has issues.
Take your time and find a loved horse that has been outgrown or rider going to uni or lost interest or has been outgrown in terms of ability.
If it’s your first horse, don’t overlook something older.

kirktonhouse · 05/01/2021 23:44

Really, really difficult. It took the best part of a year to find our latest, including buying a 'lockdown' horse last summer that wasn't suitable for what we wanted, but coincided with finding a brilliant home for an outgrown pony and that took priority. It turned out brilliantly and have an amazing horse now, but tried about over a dozen, all but 2 were completely unsuitable, one was great but failed a simple vetting, the other was a bit on the small side for a rapidly growing child.

I was surprised that dd got on a couple of them, and one crazy lady after dd literally bailed out of a bucking 15.1, tried to sell us a 16.3hh skinny racehorse barely off the track. I don't look very horsey, but know enough to smile politely at the idiots trying to sell problems.

The best thing you can do is wait until something comes along from someone that you know and trust, it really is worth waiting for.

maxelly · 06/01/2021 10:07

What kind of dealer doesn't have anywhere proper to ride? That alone tells me this was not a proper professional operation, even a dealer that focuses on the hacking and low level amateur market absolutely ought to be properly assessing and schooling their stock before they market them IMO, and I don't see how they are doing that without an arena or field they can ride in. To me the kind of dealer that sticks a saddle on, pops up and down the road a few times then declares ready for sale is the kind that has loads and loads of horses in at once, usually sourced pretty indiscriminately from Ireland or the sales or similar and raw/green as grass, selling at reasonable prices, and the profit margin comes from buying cheaply, investing very little in and moving on as quickly as possible. That's fine if you are an experienced buyer, have a good eye and want a project and to do the work yourself, so all you are paying the dealer for is effectively the hassle of going to the sales/shipping over from Ireland, but its no good for an average leisure rider who needs a 'made' horse (which is why perhaps, being charitable, this dealer has good facebook reviews, they may be from a totally different kind of buyer to you or they may be fake ).

Re the spooking, very very few horses, even the totally bombproof saints are completely 100% spook proof, horses are flight animals after all and something can always happen to startle them no matter the skill of the rider. I think anyone looking to own their own horse, novice or not, does need to be able to sit and work through an occasional minor spook (talking a sudden halt, snort, perhaps back off or swing sideways suspiciously kind of spook, not a bolt/bronc mad panic episode). So I suppose it's just possible the dealer was being honest in his description of the horse and it was just unlucky that this was the day there were demons in the verges or the horse was feeling particularly fresh or whatever. Or (perhaps more likely!) the dealer was unscrupulous and just looking to make a quick sale - although a truly bad dealer knowing he had a novice come to view would have drilled the horse on the lunge or up and down the road for a hour or 2 beforehand so it was too knackered to spook, or even kept it away from water or dosed it up on sedatives beforehand, these things are more common than we like to think sadly - I suspect he was just a bit casual in his assessment of what's suitable for a novice, hadn't really tried the horse properly and/or has so many horses going through his hands he can't remember which is which!

OP it's super frustrating buying a horse at the best of time what with dodgy dealers, time wasters, idiots that can't measure their horses properly or know when it's hopping lame etc etc, and things are a bit madder than usual out there at the moment. Plus winter is not typically a great time to buy, I know it's annoying but I'd take your time, ideally you'd buy privately or through a dealer that has actual recommendations from people you know who have the kind of horse you want (contrary to popular opinion there are still out there some excellent dealers who really put the work in sourcing animals truly suitable for novices and leisure riders, putting miles on the clock and ironing out any issues or training problems, but quite rightly this takes time and expertise just as much as training competition horses does, so they do charge a premium which a lot of people feel unwilling to pay when "all they want is a happy hack" or similar). Can you ask your instructor and people at the yard for any recommendations and to keep their ears open through the network for anyone looking to sell?

lastqueenofscotland · 06/01/2021 10:47

First take an experienced friend to ride it first!!
It’s very difficult, I’ve a friend who’s been looking since May for a sports horse. She’s very fussy but everything she likes the look of is either insanely sharp or 25k...

I will say though that even the quietest horse can spook, and if you don’t feel like you could deal with a horse that would maybe you need some further experience?
It’s not uncommon for very quiet horses to get a bit unsettled and spooky in new places either, which is something I would suggest considering further.

FanFckingTastic · 06/01/2021 12:52

I've just bought horse no.2 six weeks ago after a searching for many months - it's not easy and at the moment there are a real shortage of horses due to a number of factors. I have to say that I don't think that the prices will fall dramatically any time soon unfortunately.

The advise that I would give is do your research before you set a foot outside the door. I always facebook / instagram or google stalked the seller in advance, asked opinions on dealers etc. I also always called the seller and had a conversation with them about the horse - make a list of the things that you want to know so that you can ask all of the questions before deciding whether it's even worth viewing. I would ask the seller to send me videos of the horse doing the things that were important to me (for example jumping, hacking in traffic etc) Make sure to check that the videos are recent, not from years ago. Finally, and this sounds a bit crackers, I always sent videos of me riding and my yard setup to the seller. In this way they could see how I rode, what kind of things I do, what kind of stabling the horse would have etc so that they could see if horse would fit well with me.

Once you've found a horse that you think is suitable, take a knowledgeable friend / instructor etc with you as a second pair of eyes. Always have the seller ride the horse first so that you can see how it goes and don't be frightened to walk away if you can tell that the horse is not for you. Good luck! x

Miranda15110 · 06/01/2021 13:23

Don't buy from a dealer. Good horses sell through word of mouth. Take your time, ask around your local riding club contacts and have a full vet check before parting with any cash.

Chocolatecakeandcoffee · 06/01/2021 16:29

Thanks for the advice- it’s appreciated. So hard to find a suitable horse!!

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Asdf12345 · 06/01/2021 16:35

We recently bought another, ended up trying twelve or so horses across five dealers and one week long trial which we returned after a five stage vetting.

If looking for a happy hacker there should be loads of options but more back yard dealers to rummage through. We were looking for something jumping 120+ so ended up only dealing with the more professional end of the market.

Muddledupme · 06/01/2021 19:51

I would also turn up early to viewings and ask to see the horse caught, tacked up etc before getting the seller to ride first to reduce the risk of you hopping on a rodeo.
Ask about farrier,dentist,passport vetting,daily management etc so that you can get an idea how your yard setup will work. Be very careful if the horse does not have access to water in its stable or the seller discourages you from vetting.

Pleasedontdothat · 06/01/2021 21:22

It’s a minefield.... we’ve been trying to find a new horse for my daughter but even though we have what should be a healthy budget, that perfect (or even just good enough) horse is still proving elusive. There are (allegedly) some honest dealers around but selling horses seems to bring out the worst in people. However, buying from a dealer does confer more rights on the purchaser than with a private sale. Never take anything you’re told for granted! If a horse seems suspiciously cheap compared to other similar horses around, then there’s almost certainly something wrong with it.

Ideally you want a horse which is already doing the job you want it to do. If it’s a private sale there should be hundreds of photos and videos of the horse at shows/at home/just having fun - if there aren’t, why not? Always make sure you see it being ridden first - remember though that quite often dealers will have pretty good riders who can make even a very average horse look great.

In normal non-Covid times take someone knowledgeable with you, take videos and show them to your instructor and vet, go back for a second viewing and don’t allow yourself to be rushed into making a decision.

And always get the horse properly vetted - a 2 stage vetting doesn’t tell you much, so preferably get a 5 stage done. The extra cost pales into insignificance compared with the cost of vet bills if the horse develops a problem soon after you get it home.

In lockdown, travelling to view horses isn’t considered essential so people shouldn’t be viewing but plenty are being sold nonetheless

countrygirl99 · 07/01/2021 08:46

Whenever I enquire to an ad that doesn't look like a dealer I always just say "I'm enquiring about your horse" it's surprising how often the response is "which one".

Chocolatecakeandcoffee · 07/01/2021 09:36

Good idea!

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Stantons · 07/01/2021 12:04

Which dealer was it? Where are you roughly maybe people can suggest a good one

lilybetsy · 07/01/2021 18:22

I have recently bought a pony (November 20), I'm very inexperienced as a buyer (never bought a horse before) and I was absolutely terrified of all the pitfalls.

This is what I did.
made a list of what I needed eg, age, height etc and how far I would be prepared to deviate from that
set myself a budget
'looked' a lot ad adverts so I familiarised myself with what was 'out there'
a friend give me a tip of re a pony being sold by a (v small scale) yard that produces horses - due to the close personal connection I felt I could trust the seller to be honest
visited. Bought
....
super happy with my gorgeous pony !

Chocolatecakeandcoffee · 07/01/2021 18:55

That’s great. I saw a pony today who was a bit older and lovely...rode in school and hacked out. Saw videos. Just felt right. Decided to go for it! Doing a 5 stage vetting next week. 🤞
How has it been getting to know your pony? How did you help her/him settle in?

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Lilybetsey · 07/01/2021 22:18

It’s been great, she’s settled pretty easily, although I think I can see now that she was perhaps more stressed by it than I knew at the time as she’s much steadier and more settled being ridden now.
I can feel the bond between us growing , as we learn to trust each other, I’m super happy and feel very very lucky 😊

Your pony sounds great, good luck 🤞🏼

Chocolatecakeandcoffee · 07/01/2021 22:47

Your pony sounds great 😊
Thanks, I’m super excited but also a bit worried. I’ve wanted a horse since I was about 10 and am 45 now so is a lifelong dream! How long did it take your horse to feel settled and for a bond to develop?

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Chocolatecakeandcoffee · 07/01/2021 22:49

Ps how old is your pony? Mine (😊 🤞) is 14. A bit older than I was originally looking for but he is v lovely!

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