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Potential share advice please!

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Hanfleur · 08/10/2020 10:09

Hi folks! I posted this as an update on a previous topic but realised it's probably best posted separately.

I came back to riding after a 25 year break 6 weeks ago and am having private lessons along with my 3 daughters. I'm happily regaining my confidence in walk, trot and canter and have popped a couple of small cross poles. I'm desperate to get more horsey time in as I'm loving it so much, but want to do more than just lessons.

I have been in touch with a lady who has a 12yo ISH gelding plus miniature shetland on a yard 30 mins away from me. She has young children and feels that her gelding isn't getting enough riding and is worried about him getting unfit and she has offered for me to ride him and groom the pair of them 2-3 times a week in return for the odd bag of carrots! The ISH was purchased from a riding school 5 years ago and is apparently very kind and patient. I was very honest about my current riding level being fairly novice after a long break so hopefully he's not too much horse for me, but I don't have any experience of this breed so any advice would be gratefully received!

I’m only after doing some flat work and hacking at this stage until I have some more hours back in the saddle and will schedule in some lessons on this horse at the yard he's at until I've got to know him (presuming he's suitable for me at all).

I'm going to meet her at her livery yard at the weekend to see if it's a partnership that could work. Trying not to get my hopes up in case it's too good to be true, but do you have any advice on what questions to ask etc when I meet her and the etiquette around meeting a horse for the first time?

Thanks so much!

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Hanfleur · 08/10/2020 10:16

PS this is the ISH and the little floof I'll be bringing my daughters to pamper once or twice a week too!

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RedLipsAndRosyCheeks · 08/10/2020 11:46

ISH looks very handsome and the floof is just gorgeous!

maxelly · 08/10/2020 14:26

Looks and sounds lovely but as you say maybe even too good to be true so do ask lots of questions! I think in terms of questions to ask, lots of probing about the terms of the 'deal' i.e. when she says just carrots and grooming I would assume from that (a) she doesn't want any kind of financial contribution at all and (b) horse is kept on full livery so all care and chores are taken care of, so you would effectively just turn up and ride but you absolutely need to clarify this!

Also even within 'just turn up and ride' there are differences in reality, at my yard even for a full livery so no yardwork to do, just turning up for a ride can mean trekking to the furthest corner of the far field if you want to ride at a time the herd is out - a 10-15 minute walk there and same again back (that's assuming horse is good to catch and you don't also have to chase them around for 15 minutes waving polos like my little 'darling' Grin ). Then rugs off, wash down muddy sticky legs, hose down the wash area, groom, tack up etc. Then afterwards untack, brush off, wash legs again (our school is semi flooded and horribly mucky right now), wipe down tack, rugs back on - some horses would have a feed before going back out so wait for them to eat that, skip out stable/tidy any piles - then walk back out to far field again - probably 1.5 hours' worth of jobs not even accounting for riding time, a bit different to if you are used to simply turning up for a lesson and horse being ready and waiting for you! Obviously that's a bit of a worst case scenario but if she actually wants you to occasionally muck out or turn beds down or pick up a barrow load of poo or other minor jobs (things as a horse owner you do so much as a matter of course you don't even count them in your head!) it might turn out to be quite a time commitment so you do need to be honest with yourself and her about how much you can commit to especially in the very worst of the winter weather/dark!

Also of course ask about the horse, how is he to ride, does anything spook him, what is his 'go-to' if naughty, upset or scared - if she says 'nothing' I'd be a bit suspicious because even the most bombproof horse does something wrong sometimes, even just stopping dead still and refusing to move! That's ideal but if he bucks, spins, naps etc even if very rarely I'd want to know so you can be prepared and know what to do. Ask about his routine, winter and summer, and also her's, does she stick to a very strong routine or is she often away/busy and might want you to cover extra days here and there, what about holidays etc? Will it be a problem if you ever need to not cover a day due to sickness or childcare etc? Has the horse ever been lame or sick, what are the signs to look out for to see if anything isn't right with him? Who if anyone on the yard will be around when you are riding and who can keep an eye on you/you can ask for help? What are the yard 'rules' re DC, opening/closing times, security, covid measures, school use (who has priority etc), hacking out? Can you have lessons on the horse (I'd really really recommend this)?

Re the etiquette when you go to see him, I would expect her to go about her normal business and you to 'shadow', i.e. bring him in if he's out in the field, groom, tack up together - this gives you a chance to ask your questions about his routine, his tack and how to check it's fitting right etc. Then for her to ride first and you to watch - do feel free to walk away if your gut is telling you something isn't right (e.g. she makes some excuse to not ride herself and wants you to ride first, or horse is playing up), never ever get on a horse you don't feel safe/happy on without an instructor or other trusted person there - but if you and she are both comfortable you can then have a short ride - probably a walk, trot, canter on both reins and maybe a little pootle out up the lane/road with her walking beside you. I know it's nerve wracking but I would try hard to just ride as you normally would in your lessons, both you and she want a realistic picture of if the horse is suitable and as I say if your gut is telling you no then the sensible thing to do is walk away... good luck!

maxelly · 08/10/2020 14:37

Also, sorry for long post, re 'ISH' this breed is actually a crossbreed so more of a type than a breed although I believe there is a proper registry/stud book for them now. The 'I' stands for Irish, properly Irish Draught but can also mean cobby loosely 'Irish' types in common parlance. The 'SH' is 'sports horse', so an ID crossed with any warmblood (or sometimes a thoroughbred). Like with all crosses (I sound like a thread on the doghouse here Grin ) they can take after one side or the other, in theory you get a nice mix with the athleticism and talent of the sports horse side tempered with the strength, soundness and calm temperament of the draught horse. Lovely in theory but you can occasionally end up the other way round with a gert lump of a fat downhill made cob with the hot brain, fragile limbs and general mental and physical delicacy of the blood horse Grin.

I'm sure this one is nice though, TBH in my experience 'ISH' is a label that nowadays tends to get applied to any generically (Irish) bred horse of medium size that isn't obviously either a cob or a TB/WB. There's a fine-ish Welsh and a chunky TB on my yard who routinely get taken to be ISHs for instance. Most are these generic 'Irish' horses are perfectly nice ordinary types, like with dogs to be honest it comes down more to how they are trained and kept than their inherent breed traits so I would take him as you find him rather than worrying too much about breed!

ApplestheHare · 08/10/2020 14:59

I'd query whether 30 mins is close enough to home but other than that it sounds like a great set up with a lot of potential for you and the children. Will you be caring for the horses on those days or will the lady? I mention 30 mins because if you're caring and sometimes need to pop down to rug/suncream/top up hay or whatever it will feel like a long journey to do a simple task. The questions to be asked would also depend on whether you were responsible on your days Smile

Pleasedontdothat · 08/10/2020 17:12

We have an ‘old-fashioned’ ISH - he’s half Irish draught (very posh lines) and half TB (not so posh 😉). He looks exactly like his dad but a bit smaller - as far as I can see the only TB bits he’s inherited are very sensitive skin, a very fine summer coat (he hates rain as it just soaks straight through to his skin) and a general lack of a sense of self-preservation 😬. He’s an absolute sweetheart on the ground, has a fabulous jump and tries his heart out, however he’ll never score particularly highly in a dressage test as he’s just not elastic enough. There are three other ISH on the yard - one is about 7/8 TB so is finer-built and leggier, one looks like an overgrown Connie and one looks like a cob - I’d be amazed if there was any TB/WB in him at all and he’s also a bit of a thug on the ground. One thing they all have in common is they’re obsessed with food! Our horse feels very different to ride than the average riding school horse though - even in walk you can feel all the muscles in his back working, and he can go from 0-60 in no time at all so you have to pay constant attention. He’s also very good at playing dumb - you have to give him very precise aids otherwise he stands there saying ‘nope, no idea what you want me to do..’

Hanfleur · 09/10/2020 06:54

Thanks so much for all the advice! From what I can gather, she’s not looking for any specific duties other than riding and some pampering. I was quite clear in asking as I know I couldn’t commit to full care on top of the drive. She doesn’t seem to be looking for a full-on share/loan arrangement but I definitely want it to be very clear between us what is and isn’t expected.

That is an excellent point re the time it takes to actually catch, hose down etc so will definitely bear that in mind. I was thinking time wise that I would be spending 2hrs actually on the yard on 2 weekdays allowing for say 30 mins riding with longer on a weekend day. Does that sound realistic?

There’s an instructor at her yard so I would definitely plan on scheduling lessons. I’m also very aware of my current limitations as a rider so if there’s any doubt about the horse being too much for me I will definitely walk away! She seems to think he’s a total darling and I’ll be fine but obviously one person’s darling isn’t necessarily another’s so I’ll reserve judgement on that!Grin

Thanks so much again - I’ll let you know how I get on tomorrow!

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Hanfleur · 09/10/2020 07:03

Ps here’s a pic of the whole of him!

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ApplestheHare · 11/10/2020 18:41

Hanfleur how did you get on?

stevalnamechanger · 14/10/2020 00:18

Sounds great but I would pay your instructor to go along too

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