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Which riding school?

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Pr1nc3ssP3rdy · 08/07/2020 17:02

Where I live there are 2 riding schools in fairly close proximity. I have ridden at both a lot but both have different pros and cons. I really don't know which is the best, as one has better facilities and instruction, but the other has a much nicer vibe and I feel more comfortable. I'll lay them both out:

  1. Redway (not it's actual name)
I learnt to ride here when I was about 5. It has one instructor who's really lovely and very chilled out. They have one smallish outdoor arena. I rode here on and off between the ages of 5 and 13. Having learnt the basics of riding I didn't progress a lot. The lessons were very formulaic ie: spend the 1st 20 minutes between walk and trot, changing direction every couple of minutes, then have a canter on each direction then a cool down to end. I didn't learn loads but I loved riding and really got on with the instructor.

Then one holiday spent with my aunt in a different part of the country she took me for a lesson at her stables. It was then that I realised that despite having ridden for 8 years I didn't know squat about riding! The teacher was asking about trot diagonals and canter aids and I didn't have a clue what she was talking about. My seat was all wrong, my feet stuck out and I constantly let the reins slip through my fingers. (I cringe even now about how bad a rider I was). After that disaster lesson I realised that although I had learnt to sit on a horse at Redway, I had never been corrected on anything I was doing wrong, or taught anything technical. I was actually a bit angry as I had been spending my own money on these lessons for years and I had never experienced any other lessons until this point so I didn't know that they could be so different. So I decided to leave Redway and try the other local riding school.

  1. Barnfell (again not it's actual name)
I was now about 15. At first riding here was so great. They had an indoor and outdoor school, both a lot bigger, they had 4 teachers and a lot more ponies. Out of the teachers they had two adults who owned the business and used to compete and were obviously very qualified (I'll call them Sam and Nelly) then they had two girls who worked there and were in their early 20s and weren't qualified (I'll call them Val and Emma). You paid the same for all the lessons regardless of who they were with, and by default would have one of the girls unless you asked specifically for Sam or Nelly. I always had Val to start with as they don't make it clear that you can ask for a specific teacher. I was incredibly shy and she frankly terrified me. She was very temperamental and would sometimes be really lovely and sometimes effectively bully me in every lesson to the point where I was scared to go. However, my riding vastly improved, I learnt to jump, improved my seat, learnt the aids and gained a lot of confidence. One day I came and Val was ill so I got to have a lesson with Sam. It was the best lesson I'd had in my life, I learnt so much more, without being yelled at or made to feel uncomfortable. The next time I booked a lesson I asked for Sam again and ended up having a few lessons with her which were all great. But, every time I went and Val was there, Val would snap at me, glare at me or come and watch the lessons and make comments about my riding. She was incredibly possessive over her riders (not just with me, I witnessed this a lot and also my little sister experienced the same). I get that it's annoying if someone who you're teaching decides to ask for the different instructor, but also, why would you choose to be taught by a 20 year old who isn't a qualified riding instructor when at the same price you can be taught by a seasoned instructor who has loads of experience, used to be a competitive rider and is an actual adult! Not only that but Val and the other young teacher would constantly bitch about the others teaching behind their backs. (Eg. I was turning out the ponies with Emma and she outright says: what do you think of Val's teaching, I don't rate it). Eventually I couldn't stand being there as it was a really weird vibe and I couldn't deal with the stress of whether Val was going to be nice or horrible to me that day (I have generalised anxiety disorder and care a lot about what people think of me so it did really affect me loads). So even though the lessons were so much better I ended up going back to Redway as I literally started getting anxious about every time I had to go to Barnfell and riding was only ever supposed to be something fun.

So I went back to Redway and being a much better rider and having buckets more confidence I was able to articulate a bit more what I wanted. So I do jump there and I actively ask my instructor to correct my position all the time, but the level of instruction is still not close to what I had at barnfell. I'm now 17 and a better rider than I've ever been (though still no where near where I would like to get to as an equestrian) I am currently at Redway and the lessons are enjoyable but I do feel limited especially with the size of the arena, so for example I can't do a course of jumps, only ever one etc.

I realise this has been super long and convoluted so I'm going to try to sum it up in short below as a reminder:

Do I go for the stables with the lovely people where I feel comfortable but the level of instruction isn't amazing, or the one where I'm learning heaps more, but the staff are bitchy and competitive with each other to the point where it's a stressful environment.

It's a real dilemma as I really want to be a better rider and I need a good instructor to do that, but also riding should be fun, not stressful.

OP posts:
maxelly · 09/07/2020 16:13

What are your longer terms plans for your life (outside of horses), if you don't mind me asking? Are you planning to go to uni, college etc? Do you drive or can you get yourself about a bit on public transport? Do you have a job or a source of some money? Sorry to hear about the issues you've had, unfortunately there are a lot of bad riding schools and bitchy people out there but be reassured there are plenty of good/nice ones too. You are very young and have lots of time so don't panic (I know teenagers don't like hearing it but trust me from an oldie, it's true Grin )

I think ultimately to progress with your riding the best thing would actually be if you are able to work towards sharing or loaning a horse/pony that is privately owned. Sometimes lessons and riding school ponies can really only take you so far and sounds quite a lot like you might be getting to this point, aside from the particular issues with your 2 schools. How practical it is for you obviously depends on whether you can get yourself to a livery yard and also whether you can afford to pay (although probably a 2-3 day a week share won't cost much more than a weekly lesson). Also how confident you are with basic care tasks for the horses and whether you are OK to ride not under direct supervision i.e. not being told what to do all the time. Do you ever ride in 'open order' at either school, where instead of all going around together as a ride being told 'now trot', 'now change rein', 'now canter to the back' etc by the instructor, you each ride as an individual working on your horse and position and riding around one another? If not then do ask if you can try this, as it's an important skill to be able to ride independently - if you loan a pony you will need to be able to school him/her without an instructor being there to tell you what to do the whole time. Something to think about and work towards for the future anyway.

Does either school offer stable management lessons and/or BHS courses? If so doing your stage 1 (or Pony Club progressive tests) would be great preparation for part-loaning a horse of your 'own'.

Are these the only 2 schools that are remotely nearby/accessible to you? In the short term, neither sounds ideal, so if you are able to I'd try some others even if further afield, ideally as I say a large centre where you can take your BHS exams or PC badges would be great. As a teenager I had a somewhat similar situation, 1 lovely small family run riding school with not-so-great horses and facilities and 1 very large centre that did PC, competitions, clinics etc. but that could be a bit cliquey and bitchy, ultimately I did quite a lot of swapping between the 2, went to competitions, PC rallies and clinics at the bigger centre but more time at the smaller one, as ultimately if you don't enjoy yourself or feel comfortable it doesn't matter how good the facilities are! So maybe you could pop back to 'Barnfell' for an occasional lesson or if they offer something special like a camp or clinic go for it, but do your regular lessons at 'Redway'? The other thing you can do if you have some money from a Saturday job or similar (and birthday money etc!) is save up towards a riding holiday over the summer - it's amazing how much you can progress with a weeks intensive tuition and you can go to some great scenic places. And when you are only somewhere for a week or so there isn't really time for weird dynamics to develop like you can get at yards where everyone is into everyone else's business!

Floralnomad · 09/07/2020 17:14

I’d look for a different stables even if it means going further afield.

Pleasedontdothat · 09/07/2020 18:25

You’re the same age as my daughter who also gets very anxious in lots of situations but riding is her safe place and is incredibly important to her. @maxelly has given you lots of very good advice - although sadly I think you’ve missed the best age for riding holidays - the last one dd did when she was 15, she was the oldest there.

Can you get some private lessons at the bigger school with the aim of getting you confident enough to have a share for 2-3 days a week? You’d need to be confident schooling on your own and with basic stable management tasks so it might be an idea to chat to the owners about what you want to do - they may well know of someone at a nearby livery yard who’s looking for a sharer

Pr1nc3ssP3rdy · 09/07/2020 21:13

Thank you @maxelly @Pleasedontdothat @Floralnomad for your advice. There were some really helpful tips.

In answer to your first question maxelly, I plan to take a gap year after my a levels, then go to uni. I am learning to drive but lockdown meant a break in lessons. As for public transport I live in the middle of nowhere in the Yorkshire dales so it isn't that great! I had a babysitting job but lockdown put an end to that for the time being. I would love love love to loan a pony, though I don't really know how one acheives that? I have tentatively looked at a few ads for loaners/ sharers on social media but living in the middle of nowhere again won't make things easy. I do have quite a lot of experience with all the kind of on the ground stuff, and riding on my own as I was lucky enough last year to have a pony nearby who's owner let me ride him, and I'd do all the work myself and then ride on my own, in the ménage. That was such an ideal situation as he was getting love and attention and excercise as his owner was very busy and I got to ride for free in exchange for mucking out and cleaning tack. Unfortunately the owner moved away and took him with her, I was absolutely heartbroken.
I'm not really sure if either school offer bhs or stable management, I know Redway do pony club but I always thought it would be full of kids a lot younger (and probably better than me) who were all already friends with eachother.
As for trying a different riding school, these are the only two I know of in my area but I might look into some different ones especially once I can drive.
The riding holiday is a great suggestion, my aunt had planned to take me on one this year as a well done for last year's GCSE results, but because of lockdown we're planning to do it next spring instead.

Pleasedon'tdothat - I'm glad to hear riding is your daughter's safe space too :) it's very much a coping mechanism for me as one of the first rules of riding is that horses can pick up on how you're feeling so it really helps me try to leave my anxieties and overthinking at the barn door and enjoy myself a bit more. That's a good idea to chat to the owners about whether they know of anyone looking for a sharer. I'll ask at my lesson next week.

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maxelly · 10/07/2020 10:28

Ah in that case I would focus on passing your driving test asap as that will really open up your options - shares these days are mainly arranged online -local horsey Facebook groups are the best but sometimes preloved and gumtree too. You could ask your instructor (the nice one not the bitchy one!) if she knows of anyone who needs help with their ponies also, and you could also post a wanted ad online or on a noticeboard in local tack shops. Make sure you say you are a confident independent rider and have experience of caring for a pony as those are the main things an owner would be looking for. I loan one of my ponies to a teenage lad who used to take lessons at the school on my yard, and its worked out really well, he's a nice confident quiet rider but did need some 'guidance' at first about how to school properly and not just bomb around in canter the whole time, as he wasn't used to being on his own! TBH I suspect quite a bit of bombing around still goes on when my back is turned but that's OK, the pony loves it and at least it keeps her fit/trim Grin

Do vet any replies very carefully and don't be afraid to say no though, because there are some right cheeky fuckers out there who would be only too delighted to have a teenager do all their grunt work around the yard and/or school their green youngster nutter they are too scared to ride and probably pay for the privilege too!

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