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What would you think of this?

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Sparrowlegs248 · 11/11/2018 12:02

Receny started helping someone out a couple of times a week. She has 3 horses on livery. Works full time, strapped for cash and time. I mucked them all out fully last Saturday. They're on straw. Don't get turned out every day. Got there Wednesday and they had not been mucked out since I did it. Cleared two of the stables again. Got there yesterday to find the 2 I had done weds, hadn't been done since.

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Sparrowlegs248 · 11/11/2018 12:03

To clarify, I'm not asking how would you feel about being left shitty stables to do, I actually don't mind so much. Rather do you see it as an issue for the horses? I think she's using what time she does have to ride.

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Pleasedontdothat · 11/11/2018 12:23

That sounds awful - dd’s horse is stabled overnight (or when it’s absolutely bucketing down as he’s a wuss who hates rain), but the vast majority of the time he spends every day out in the fields with his friends. His stable gets mucked out every day usually after dd’s ridden in the afternoon/evening - if dd doesn’t have time to do everything she prioritises horse care over riding. If she can’t get to the yard because of school commitments then he’s on full livery for that day (although apparently the yard staff don’t make his bed exactly the way he likes it - he’s not spoilt, not at all 🙄).

It sounds like your friend simply doesn’t have enough time/cash for three horses. Is the yard owner not getting involved? There was a girl on dd’s yard whose horse was on diy and she was a bit hit and miss with mucking out - the yard owner gave her a couple of warnings and eventually gave her notice

Sparrowlegs248 · 11/11/2018 12:31

YO is pretty hit and miss herself. I used to keep mine on livery, had to stable overnight but they were out all day every day while I was at work. And mucked out every day, even if just poos out, but we're both on shavings so easier in that respect. It just seems a bit grim to me. Mine live out with shelters now which they rarely choose to go in so it's all rather different.

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Sparrowlegs248 · 11/11/2018 12:32

Definitely not enough time I think.

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DiseasesOfTheSheep · 11/11/2018 14:45

Well it's not really on, no. If the horse is stabled 24 hours some days, I think it probably is more important that the horse gets some exercise than mucked out, but it shouldn't be an either-or situation. There are ways of making mucking out faster (deep litter, removing the shit, leaving the wet - better with other bedding types than straw though). If she is unwilling or unable to pay for basic management, she shouldn't have so many.

Fireba11 · 11/11/2018 17:45

They should absolutely be being mucked our every day. As PPs say, if she can't provide turnout/exercise and a clean stable (deep litter or a smaller bed on rubber mats would help) she shouldn't have that many horses.

Sparrowlegs248 · 11/11/2018 18:00

Im a bit particular about the beds, (when mine were in) so struggle with this a bit. If the poos were taken out daily it would be lots better. I think she's considering selling one but I know she struggles to let them go. They are very well looked after in other respects, feeds top notch, ad lib good quality hay, farrier, vets, dentist, backs seen to regularly etc.

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DiseasesOfTheSheep · 11/11/2018 18:25

For most horses, adequate turnout and decent living conditions are more important than having their backs seen (especially by the less qualified people out there), or having "top notch" feeds (most amateur-owned horses shouldn't need feed with sufficient, quality forage, and most commercially produced feeds are terrible)...

Sparrowlegs248 · 11/11/2018 19:30

I agree really, in my youth when I was absolutely skint, I fitted my own saddles and the horses didn't see a back person or dentist unless something was wrong.

These are show horses.

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DiseasesOfTheSheep · 11/11/2018 20:19

Is that a euphemism for "fat"? Poor ponies.

Orlandointhewilderness · 11/11/2018 20:24

Completely out of order and disgusting to boot.

Gabilan · 11/11/2018 20:31

Basically they're locked in their toilets 24 hours a day. it's awful. If they''re standing in they should be skipped out at least twice a day. Yes, they need exercise more than mucking out but they really need both. Their feet must be dreadful. Sod nice feed. Horses need to be out and moving and no living animal wants to be in its own shit.

Sparrowlegs248 · 11/11/2018 20:40

They're not in every day , and are out as much as possible, but if it's chucking it down they're in.

They're not fat, well one is but that one isn't fed. Feet are fine as stables are massive so there's always dry area at the front.

But it's still grim.

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Booboostwo · 11/11/2018 20:49

That is awful. Almost all horses benefit from turn out and their stables should be fully mucked out every day. Mine live out 24/7 now but when they were in overnight they were fully mucked out in the morning, in at sunset and poo picked out at 11pm so the beds would not be too dirty at 7am.

maxelly · 12/11/2018 10:54

Yeah I wouldn't like that either, it must smell terrible even if their feet etc are ok. I suppose being charitable to her, many horses that are in overnight will be stood in 12 hours + worth of muck by the morning (unless they are skipped out last thing as Booboo does) so possibly at a stretch if they are only in for a few hours in the day she's thinking it's ok to leave - but muck that is a few days old and gently rotting is worse than fresh IMO. If she's short of time but not cash could she not pay for someone to at least skip out on the days you're not there?

Don't know how you tactfully bring this up with her though... I know you're more bothered about the impact on the horses welfare than having to muck out dirty stables but i wonder if she'd take it better if you approached it from the angle of you not having time to muck out a stable that is that dirty and could she consider some extra help on the in between days, rather than "accusing" her of neglect? Good, reliable sharers are worth their weight in gold usually so she shouldn't want to risk losing you and for what it's worth I do think she's taking the mickey a bit expecting you to do three days worth of mucking out, I've been on both sides of the sharer fence and the arrangement has always been that (if stable duties are expected at all) the sharer only does that days worth of chores, it's definitely not on to leave poo picking, mucking out, yard sweeping etc to build up so the sharer does more than their fair share!

Booboostwo · 12/11/2018 14:12

It’s a common complaint amongst p/t grooms that on their days on they have to muck out the accumulated muck from their days off. It’s bad for the horses and really unfair for the grooms.

Backinthebox · 13/11/2018 12:22

We tried straw bedding deep littered as a cost-saving exercise about a year ago. It was awful. The beds were a nightmare to keep clean, they always stank, and we had to take out so much muck and put back in so much clean bedding. We went through 2 big bales then went back to wood pellets and everyone was happier (except for the pony who though having a bed he could eat was marvellous!) A straw bed can be cheap and looks lovely well done, but needs constant attention.

I'm going to play devils advocate here and ask if they definitely hadn't been cleaned for 2 days? Because even one that was mucked out 8 hours previously can look and smell awful on straw. But if she isn't mucking out between you coming, that's out of order. It's bad for the horses especially if they don't get any turnout, and it's bad for you as with 3 horses that's effectively 6-9 days worth of shit you have to move.

I'm also going to go slightly against the grain and say that if she is struggling cash-wise, rather than ditching decent feed, back people, etc, she should remove a horse from her little herd. Even if it is just to loan it out temporarily. Please tell me you are not paying this lady for the privilege of mucking out her horses 3 times a week? If you are you can expect her to pull her weight on the days you don't do.

Finally, a bit of a thread derail - "most amateur-owned horses shouldn't need feed with sufficient, quality forage." I'll tell my 3 (even the pony) when they've done a 4 hour day's hunting that and see how they like their hay Hmm. My horse in particular likes his oats and sugar beet. He competes over long distances in the summer too, and is by no means unusual in doing that (I don't know many professional Trec or long distance riders, they definitely fall into the amateur camp.) Even my daughter's Welsh C needs a bit of feed to keep him pinging round Pony Club rallies and camps.

Sparrowlegs248 · 13/11/2018 20:15

They hadn't been mucked out from weds to saturday. Im not sure how much time they spent in, but honestly, it was gross. They don't all go out together though so there will have been at least 1 day per stable of standing in.

Yes i agree, selling a horse would be the way to go.

I'm not sure how to approach it, or even if I will tbh.

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Shriek · 15/11/2018 23:36

What area are you in?

Shriek · 16/11/2018 00:55

@Nottalotta

Sparrowlegs248 · 16/11/2018 20:49

Sorry @shriek, I just saw this. Why do you ask?

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Shriek · 16/11/2018 22:40

Oh, no worries! Just wondered if I could help out, but probs miles apart!

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