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How do you ever buy a horse???

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GrandMasterFlash · 15/08/2017 21:30

Admittedly, we haven't been trying ALL that long, but SO disheartened. It's been hard to get anyone to consider is as potential buyers. It's our first horse, for my daughter. She is only 12 years old, but is 5'9" already. She is currently on 15.3hh and so we are looking at 16hh to buy. She has been riding for 8 years and has had a share/part loan previously.

Eventually we found one that was advertised as a confidence giver/for novice to progress. Did 8 hour round trip. Horse took off with her in gallop and dumped her on the floor!

Have had promising text conversations about a few others, but then ghosted mid-conversation. Sounds like internet dating!!

I am not sure what we should even be looking for anymore...'family horse'? We have established that we want a 'safe ride'. But she definitely doesn't want a plod. She wants to do EVERYTHING! Which is why we want to buy. So she has freedom to hack, go to shows. She like jumping, and interested in dressage and liberty work also. Would we be daft to look at something a bit 'green', that she can school/train with direction of instructor??

We will be using assisted/part livery at least until we are more confident). I have experience, but from years ago, so not confident yet, to go DIY

Anyway, what was my point???..how long does it generally take to find a horse? Any tips/advice?

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Booboostwo · 17/08/2017 16:45

A lovely welsh x but almost too cheap, why?

www.horsemart.co.uk/well-bred-dressage-and-all-rounder/Horses/515186

littlebird7 · 17/08/2017 16:54

Friends that have ponies can ask around - we bought ours from a trusted friend. Pony club is a definite place to try. Also head over to all local riding schools, sometimes they quietly sell on and you know they will be calm and good with children. Place adverts locally if you live in a rural area. Good luck - don't give up - buying our beautiful pony was the best thing we have ever done. It is our life now

papaver · 17/08/2017 17:51

Wishing you luck with your search and adding that personality and temperament are key. If your daughter wants to enjoy the relationship and you also will no doubt be spending a lot of time with him/her then having a horse who is pleasant to be with and will happily box, be clipped, stand for the farrier etc is more important than an exact size, age or breed or looks. For every "rule" that you will be told there will be exceptions. Go with your own gut feelings and don't get hung up on price either as I have seen people find a more suitable horse at a cheaper price. Having said that no horse is going to be perfect and personally I also reckon it takes at least a year to really form a good relationship. With the 'A' level results coming out today you may find it is a good time to be looking as some students may be selling on horses before going on to uni after having a last summer together.

Catscatsandmorecats · 17/08/2017 18:26

How's the search going OP?

I'd echo most other pp's and say under horse rather than over. Cobs and natives are often a good bet and I don't think you can rule out anything on breed alone, I'd agree in general a Welsh D might be a bit ferocious for a lightweight inexperienced rider (even a tall one) but I know some older ones that are wonderful and really look after their riders. What I would say is look at the person who owns/rides the horse now, are they super experienced, do they weigh more than your DD, have they had several different riders including children and teenagers? I have a lovely pony, she's only 13hh but quite stocky and rides big, she's amazing for me and for hacking amazing for anyone but if a lightweight rider gets on her in the school she can be a right madam! Similarly I had a ride on a friend's smallish D, it was used to bring ridden by someone nearly twice my weight and bolted, I coped, sat it but wouldn't get on it again. It was very strong, I then saw someone else ride it, taller and heavier and more experienced than me and even she had trouble. Sometimes they are angels with their owners but awful to everyone else!

I agree now with camp over looking at pony club classifieds would be a really good way to go. A horse that has been there done it and got the t-shirt with several kids is always a good idea.

Good luck

UrsulaPandress · 17/08/2017 18:55

So true about looking at who rides the horse. Our Sec D x WB was bred and ridden by a father and son. Lovely, quiet gentle men. But men. He took one look at me and DD and basically bullied us.

selectedpicnicitems · 17/08/2017 19:29

Not everyone selling a horse lies I might add.

I am in the sad position of possibly having to sell my little horse and it is heartbreaking. I am terrified that he will go to a bad home and I just know I will lie awake at night for the next god knows how many years worrying about him. I am trying to use my word of mouth contacts and would also use a very reputable horse seller (can't use the word dealer, just has too many bad connotations) as she knows just about everyone there is to know within the breed. At the moment he is with a friend but not sure how long she can keep him for.

He is an Arab so possibly no good for the OP's daughter although he is a little angel and has done loads bless him. Very hard from both sides. The friend is he with had a Welsh Cob as her first horse when she was 14 yrs old and he nearly killed her (and me) on several occasions! God that horse could buck - his nose was literally on the ground and his back hooves up in the clouds! My first horse was an Arab (have had 3) all impeccably behaved but yes they are sharp and quick.

UrsulaPandress · 17/08/2017 20:33

Ah yes. The Welsh buck.

Catscatsandmorecats · 17/08/2017 21:25

Grin Ursula

Ollivander84 · 17/08/2017 21:29

Possibly a smaller ID x might work. Mine is ID x TB and chunkier but happily works at medium level dressage, jumps and hacks etc

RedComet · 18/08/2017 08:09

Personally I like WB horses but if I were to get another one for DDs I would hop on a plane to Ireland. We have an Irish cross mare 15.2 Puts her hoof to almost anything, nice bold jump. Chunky horse, DD's 6 foot instructor doesn't make her look small. And certainly not a plot. A lot of Irish sellers include the price of transport to a yard in the UK. A friend of mine brought one back from her holiday Confused. Lovely chuncky gelding.

notquiteruralbliss · 18/08/2017 13:38

Breed almost doesn't matter if the horse is a nice person. Ours is over 17h and bred to compete (we bought her direct from the stud as s 5yo) but really looks after DD (unlike some of the ponies she rode when she was younger).

TeamSteady · 18/08/2017 17:23

Word of mouth via pony club is probably the way to go.

I'd work out a list of absolute must haves and nice to haves, and absolute nos. I'd email the DCs of all your local branches. What does your daughter want to do with her new horse/pony?

I was worried when we tried out Dpony that I would under horse almost 10 year old son (who had lost confidence on previous loan pony). I made the decision that it was better to under horse and sell in 18m time if necessary once he had built up confidence. Best decision ever.

Dpony is a saint and hopefully won't ever go anywhere. If he does we have a waiting list of people who would want to take him on loan or buy him. These are people who've seen him out and about at PC, and local dressage etc. He is more than happy to plod and look like a beach donkey, but equally can work very nicely. He is out competing at the moment. We only started competing regularly this year having bought a box. They are doing some very nice 70%+ prelims and about to move up to novice on the advice from his instructor. He jumps nicely if asked, but it isn't really DS's thing. At camp they happily trundled around 70-80cm SJ and XC.

WRT size, it's tricky. DS was about 5'2 ish when we got him. Several people said 14.2 would be too big, however DH is 6'3 and DS has always been mega tall for his age. Four years later and he's nearly the same height as your daughter. It's all leg- about 34' worth! We've had a bit of trouble sorting out a saddle that fits them both, but touch wood we bought a new one last week which has room for another inch or so of thigh growth from DS. (previous one didn't have enough room for DS' thigh and it meant the block was in the wrong place, his leg was tipping back, tipping DS forward and off balance)

Ds doesn't want to part with him ever. He's ridden friends' horses occasionally 17h warmbloods etc, and yes the picture is pleasing, would they look after him in every situation? Maybe not... There is nothing of Ds, he weighs about 7 stone. I can hand on heart send DS off to camp, XC, shows, hacking, generally kids messing about doing silly things with their ponies and i know he's safe.

However I think you will have to up your budget a lot. We were thinking about looking for the next size up, but a "similar model" if you will. I don't think we would be able to get any change out of 7k, and could very easily spend a lot more. (Ds wasn't having any of it, and suggested we invest in roller skates Hmm)

We've been told by the DC that if we did sell Dpony, he would be "worth his weight in gold" and "people would be willing to spend serious money on him" as he does what's asked, when he's asked but never too much to frighten a nervous novice, and has a decent unaf record and PC and local instructors references.

I would really think about taking others advice to save for a few months and up your budget. If you could get a chunky small horse similar in temperament to Dpony you would be set up for as long as she would like. Having seen other kids on their ponies at PC, if they are challenging it can really put them off and frighten them. We made that mistake with loan pony, who seriously knocked DS' confidence which has never truly recovered. If you can save the £400 per month maintenance cost for another few months you'd stand a much better chance of getting a PC school master who could give your daughter years of fun.

Oh and Dpony is a 14.2 (in shoes) coloured cob, unrecorded breeding, came off a boat with a lorry load of other coloured cobs from ireland as a four year old. He had one other PC home, with a 14-17 year old girl before coming to us. He was a 4 hour drive away from us, but we went to see him as he ticked all the boxes, i spoke to the owner at huge length, as well as her instructor and the DC of their PC. (I wasn't initially keen as he is mainly white and loan pony was grey and I knew what a PITA it would be, I was looking for a bay or other sensible colour!)

notquiteruralbliss · 18/08/2017 21:06

You might well get something super nice on loan at this time of year, with DCs going off to uni. DDs horse belongs to her older sibling who has moved away. She didn't want to sell and our original plan (if DDs younger sister, who had barely sat on a horse in the past year, had not decided she wanted to try her) was to loan her out. I am sure a lot of people will be in a similar position and have a horse they don't have a rider for but don't want to sell. As suggested above, pony club might be a good place to ask.

Greyhorses · 19/08/2017 10:51

I would go for a chunky native, it's practically impossible to outgrow one. I have friends who are 6ft doing all sorts with highlands and dales ponies!

Moanranger · 28/08/2017 01:01

I echo red comet & olliver look at Irish horses. My daughter is competent but nervous & rides a full Irish draught. He is perfect for her. Also IDxconnemaras &IDs x TB, although they are now crossing into WBs, but that is for the competition market. Don't discount a reputable dealer. I have one in County Laois that I keep going back to; she sends them to UK to try.

ChristinaParsons · 28/08/2017 01:15

I'm 5'8 and have a 14.1 pony. I have very long legs and my pony is regularly schooled by men over 6'. My children have both been riding all their lives. Neither of them sat on anything bigger than 15.2 until they were 14

ChristinaParsons · 28/08/2017 01:18

I don't think the OP has a clue

Eve · 28/08/2017 16:43

Moanranger , who is your dealer ?

On hunt this year for an all rounder for DS.

TangledSlinky · 28/08/2017 20:24

Lots of great advice already, but I definitely think you'll be looking nearer the top end of your revised budget (£5k) for what you're after. The other thing I'd say is don't get too het up on breeds, just focus on finding something sane that your DD can go out and have fun on rather than a flashy WB that looks great in polo wraps but that she's afraid to ride.

GrandMasterFlash · 01/09/2017 13:17

Hello!! So, I think we might have found one. It will not be suprising to any of you, that it is not the horse we thought we were looking for

14.2hh Irish Connemara X type 😂😂

And 3x original budget 😱

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JustKeepStumbling · 01/09/2017 15:17

Someone at my yard is selling their daughters PC horse 14.2hh south west area. Very smart and safe cob X Welsh and her daughter is about 15 and has done all PC teams on her. Within your budget. I personally started on a 16.3hh Selle Francais (I'm not even tall!) when I was a novicey 14 year old but she was in her teens and a nice kind sort and we were devasted to lose her to colic. Then had a 3/4 TB cross Arab who was 16.2hh and also very genuine to ride. Now have an ex racer who wasn't long off the track and she again is a lovely, kind sort; there are some lovely older ex racers in their teens who have hunted/jumped etc and do very well at pony club level. I always go on a kind eye and a sensible, safe disposition primarily!

Auntiedahlia · 01/09/2017 17:23

14.2 Connie? Lovely.

Fartypant · 01/09/2017 18:32

Very excited. A bit scared

Jonsnowsghost · 01/09/2017 18:48

Yay I was going to suggest a connie, mine is lovely Grin although has been lame with a ruptured tendon for a while...

Rosieposy4 · 01/09/2017 18:52

Sounds like a good choice. Love connies, and they make great crosses.