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What's he worth?

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WombatStewForTea · 25/03/2017 22:44

I've been part loaning a fab horse for nearly two years now. His owner has recently decided to sell him and I'm interested in buying him because I'd be heartbroken to see him go. From an emotional point of view he's priceless, but everyone has said that she is asking too much for him. As much as I love him I just can't justify spending what I know he isn't worth. So in your opinions, what would be a fair price to offer (we're in the North West)? This is obviously more honest than an advert for him would be.

16.1 12 year old Warmblood gelding.
Safe as houses to hack in traffic but can be strong and silly in open places sometimes rearing but will settle.
Beginning to work nicely in the school (never going to be spectacular) but will come down to the level of his rider i.e. will plod around with a novice but on the flip side can be very stubborn and when ridden by an able rider can fight and buck and rear when asked to work properly (apparently in his last home he would do this and the rider would get off and he'd win which is why he did it - been vet/back/teeth checked so nothing medically wrong there).
Total gent on the ground to handle and shoe, generally fine to load and clip.

I think my bugbear lies in that she is expecting to get back what she paid for him (her first horse) without understanding that he's got three years older and not done anything to improve his value - never been out to do anything other than a couple of farm rides.
Also she's basing her price on him being 'super safe' but he isn't super safe! He's bombproof to hack but as I've said above will buck/free and would take the mick out of a novice.

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SeasideBay · 06/04/2017 09:37

I just bought 16.2 14 year old, had on loan for 2 years previous. He is awesome, competes BE and SJ's 1.10m. Can be a spooky/nappy sod when he wants to be. £400

Booboostwo · 06/04/2017 12:44

If the viewers know what they are doing they will realise the price is silly. If they don't you can buy him off them in a few months for 500 pounds.

WombatStewForTea · 07/04/2017 09:20

Fingers crossed you're all right. I'm not sure that I'll be continuing to look after him after Saturday even if the viewing goes badly. Not only is it heartbreaking but I feel like a bit of a mug doing everything and being the one at the viewings when he could be sold from underneath me at any time. Is that bad? I suspect I'll just give notice which will leave owner in the shit as she has neither the time or money to do him until he's sold.

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muttrat · 07/04/2017 12:24

Are you doing the viewings Shock then just say how naughty he is!!

Seriously that's a massive piss take

WombatStewForTea · 07/04/2017 12:29

Yes she asked me as she hasn't ridden (and has only seen him twice!) In over a year!! Offered to pay me!
Only reason I'm doing it is because I want to make sure people get the truth although anyone who knows their stuff will recognise that he isn't the "versatile horse who enjoys any number of disciplines from jumping and showing to dressage" that he's advertised as Hmm ffs he's been out twice to farm rides and that's it as we don't have transport!

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muttrat · 07/04/2017 12:31

Oh God what an awful situation to put you in.

Whatslovegottodo · 07/04/2017 12:50

I may be well off the mark here but don't sellers have an obligation (legal?) or perhaps just moral to disclose things such as rearing?

I know people do with habits such as weaving but not sure about ridden things?

I'm sorry to hear about your loan ending in this way Sad. Hope it comes to a good resolution for you all.

Booboostwo · 07/04/2017 13:22

There is no legal obligation to disclose rearing, just the four stable vices during a vetting (cribbing, wind sucking, weaving and box walking). Generally a dealer is supposed to ensure the horse is suitable for purpose, but with private sellers it's more of a case of buyer beware.

OP you are a complete mug! Stop showing him for viewings! No one will buy a horse the owner is unwilling to ride. Woman up and tell the owner to do one, you are making it possible for her to use you!

Pixel · 07/04/2017 21:30

You could always give him a bucket of oats before anyone comes to try him out.

(joking - I think! Grin).

Gabilan · 08/04/2017 16:18

When my first horse was for sale, before I scraped together the money to buy him, I used to will him to lose shoes.

Fortunately no-one else wanted him at the price the owner was asking and he dropped the price for me. Fingers crossed OP!

WombatStewForTea · 08/04/2017 17:15

I hope so! I don't know how viewing went. At first she didn't like him and said he wasn't forward enough. Then had a jump and said he felt great. Took him for a quick hack and loved him. Back at the yard the owner who had initially liked surprised about the messing around at the farm ride even though she knew asked the girl who went with him and she told the lady that he full on reared plus lots of bunny hops and refused several jumps. Seemed to put her off a bit but not sure enough. Time will tell. Lots of interest unfortunately but hopefully people will be put off by realising he's nothing like his ad!

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WombatStewForTea · 10/04/2017 18:01

Well we were wrong. Sold subject to passing vetting. Very sad day but sure he's going to have a lovely life at his new home Sad

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Gabilan · 10/04/2017 18:22

Oh dear. Poor you. I hope it is a good home for him. Is he staying in the area, would they be interested in a sharer?

or you could knee him in the shins before the vetting. Just a little bit, not enough to do any real damage

Garnethair · 10/04/2017 19:07

Dammit

WombatStewForTea · 10/04/2017 19:24

Yeh only half an hour or so away. She actually offered him when she is going on holiday next month.
He can be a bit stiff behind so who knows if he'll pass.

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Gabilan · 10/04/2017 19:45

Also depends on what she wants him for and how caution she is. I wouldn't dare flexion test my horse but he's fine for hacking, schooling and popping the occasional small fence. If I'd wanted to 3DE I'd have been more wary.

HurricaneHalle · 10/04/2017 19:58

Some livery yards are particular about the types of vices if any they will take. Not all but some...,

WombatStewForTea · 10/04/2017 20:01

She wants to hack and jump. I suspect if he failed she'd walk away.

Has her own land so need to worry about livery yard

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Whatslovegottodo · 10/04/2017 20:04

Sad sorry to hear the update.

Booboostwo · 10/04/2017 20:23

What a shame!

muttrat · 10/04/2017 20:25
Sad
Gabilan · 10/04/2017 20:32

FWIW I think the current owner has acted badly. If I ever had to sell a horse I'd far rather it went to someone who knew the animal and was already emotionally invested than a stranger who could easily decide they didn't like it and sell. And from the sounds of things the amount you've spent on him over the years has saved her a lot of money.

WifeyFish · 11/04/2017 15:40

TBH I think a few PP may have unnecessarily got your hopes up OP. Perhaps it's just around my neck of the woods but I've never seen a warmblood go for anywhere near as low as £500. Sure, he won't suit everyone but the majority of those looking at warmbloods would expect a bit of quirkiness and as he wasn't being advertised as anything but a low level RC type I'm not surprised he's gone at that price.

Squills · 11/04/2017 16:19

I bought a horse who reared with me the first time I rode him after getting him home. We hadn't even left the yard when he literally threw himself up vertically and backwards - he landed on his back. I was thrown partially to one side but the horse injured my inner thigh when trying to right himself. As well as the injury to my leg I broke my wrist and upper arm.

The horse went back to the dealer next day.

I would strongly advise you not to buy the horse if it rears.

Squills · 11/04/2017 16:20

He was a Dutch Warmblood by the way.