How do training days and bank holidays get worked out if I’m part time?

[Shelledwarrior]

I’m moving to 0.6 from September (hurrah!) and working Wed to Fridays. All our training days fall on a Monday or Tuesday. So my job share not only benefits from having the bank holidays off but doesn’t have to do extra days to be available for the training as they already fall on her working by days. Effectively they work only 114 (assuming BH included) not the 117 needed due to training. We now have a lot of part timers and there doesn’t seem to be any clarity.
Before I yet again raise my head above the parapet, can anyone advise me on this situation please. Thanks!

You can't be obliged to attend on days you don't work.

I am 0.8 and day off Monday

I work 4/5 training days

Although 3 were disaggregated this year and two in September so I ended up doing 5 trading days and getting
For for one

The may bank holiday I get paid holiday pay for and it's itemised on my pay slip

The parent evenings that fall on Monday I get paid three hours if I go in but I am not obligated to.

I attend 80 of staff meetings/ training sessions. I save it up for the last term
As I am marking exams. I miss 8 per year and have already missed three for various reasons I will miss another 5 this term.

Oh the joys of part time! I don't think it can ever be 'fair' if they are the days you work it's just how the cookie crumbles. I work mon tues weds and the staff meeting fall on a weds. I have to attend so I effectively work six plus hours longer a month and my job share doesn't have to go to meetings.

We tend to have a report writing inset day on a Monday. I benefit but my job share doesn't. It just goes round and round with loads of different things that come up. I'm just grateful that I don't work full time anymore! Have you spoken to your head?

If we attend inset on a non working day we get paid overtime.

I spoke to my union rep about this - if you don't work the days of the INSET yuo are not obliged to attend. If you would like to go to them then pre-agree days off in lieu.

I’ve not raised it with the head yet as I’m that one person that always asks the awkward questions and pisses him off! Of course, everyone else is relieved I’ve asked them…
I’m just gathering information at present. Thanks everyone for their experience.

Or to be paid.
I'm a union rep.

I attend any INSET that falls on my working days. I'm invited to attend on other days and if I do go in, I get to claim it as overtime. There's no expectation that I go in for those, though.

Staff meetings have been shuffled to land on days so that part time staff only attend every other week.

Bit of an update… so I printed out a calendar and marked off all the days teaching and the training days. Counted it up and discovered that if I teach W-F I’m in school 120 days but if I taught M-W I would only be in 114! Now 60% of 195 is 117.
This is due to Bank holidays and our training days always being on a Mon/Tues.
so if I don’t go to 3 training days ( or get paid them) the. That gives me 117 but surely there needs to be parity between those that work the start and the end of the week?
Can anyone advise on the employment law/ legal standpoint of this?

I'm not actually sure about teaching but having worked elsewhere before, it's fairly standard that if part time you should work Mondays otherwise you might lose out on Bank Holidays. If you are already over the statutory holiday entitlement (which a teacher obviously is) there is no legal requirement on the employer to give them back. There are loads of issues like this that you realise when you go part time - they are unfair but not illegal.

Are you sure it's 7 working day as difference? Considering there are 8 bank holidays and some of those fall in the school holidays

I meant 6 working days (not 7 working day as)!

Yes. I have literally counted them up.
But how can it be fair to allow one half of a job share to do LESS days than 117?

I fear that's just the way it works. Ask your rep in school to check all the calculations but I think you might have to accept that there's no "fair" to be found.
I currently have a lot of gained time. Not all of my colleagues do, so it's not "fair". But they've also not taught all the exam classes that I have.

I'd be inclined to ask for the directed time calculations if I wasn't content to accept that, as pp said, there may be no 'fair' in PT teaching.

You could always demonstrate to your HT that you'd be working 117 days and ask them to identify 3 days you could take back as leave so as not to go over 114 days.

Be perpared to open a whole can of worms, not saying that you shouldn't but it could end up with a nasty chill in the air and people really start resenting and analysing what everybody else does. Nit saying this will happen but it might!

Exactly this. I'm in the middle of doing the DT calculation and it's a nightmare task. And it never will be "fair".

Well I’ve decided to go down the either pay for the additional days or let’s identify 3 that I can take off ( easily done as my job share and I are both in for one day a week) so that I know I’m meeting my obligations.
I will point out the 114 that the other m-f part timers are doing but not push for that to be changed however if any requests for doing after school clubs or booster groups comes up I will refer them back to the other half of the job share. Actually my job share is aware of all the analysis I’ve done and completely agrees with me!
thanks for the feed back!

How did you get on with this?

Not spoken to the head yet. He’s not clarified a couple of other details with the class teachers yet and I don’t want to piss him off and then get the worst options on the other details! I’m going to wait until the last couple of weeks of term.

Good strategy. Let us know how you get on as I'm interested to see how other schools resolve part time 'issues'.

Hi

Have you factored in half days if they exist at your school? As end of terms usually are the second half of the week….

I am 0.6 - Mon-Wed
In my contract it has about having to do training / parents evenings etc even if they are on my days off

Working P/T is great .... up to a point !

I’m part time and only attend things on my days. If it’s an inset not on my day, I don’t go. If it’s a bank holiday, I have it off. I have more BHs now I work Mondays, but got virtually none during the years that I worked the end of the week