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Awful extra curricular group

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PumpkinPie2016 · 23/11/2023 19:45

Just needing a safe space to vent, but if anyone has solutions, I'm all ears!

I am far from an inexperienced teacher - I have lots of classroom management strategies in mu toolkit.

Without giving specifics, at the school I work in, all kids must do an extra curricular each week. Compulsory, though they do get to select from a list. Obviously not all get first choice but they at least get something on their list of options. As staff, we have to run a session, there is no choice.

I run a science based club and have recently started the group for the academic year. 4 weeks in and it's safe to say, it's the worst part of my week. A very challenging mix of students who bounce off each other and to be honest, don't seem to actually want to be there and do anything. There's probably 8 out of 25 who actually want to engage.

It is an absolute nightmare. Even getting them quiet enough to take a register can take a good 10 mins. Instructions are nigh on impossible due to someone constantly talking/shouting out. I cannot turn my back for a second as things get thrown around. Last week, we achieved next to nothing because of their behaviour.

SLT have given some support in previous weeks but I had to remove some kids last week and have very much got the impression that they weren't happy and don't want to be having to collect kids and supervise. I get it, it makes work and is a pain in the backside but honestly, the session was impossible.

As I now feel so bad about sending some out, I feel I am just going to have to keep them in. But, I am going to have to replan as they cannot be trusted currently with experiments. I feel for the few who do want to do stuff but I have to keep safety in mind in a lab.

I always try to start positive/praise the good/not raise my voice etc etc. But literally nothing works.

If you read this far, Thank you for 'listening'.
If you have suggestions-great.

I may have to resort to wine 🍷

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Postapocalypticcowgirl · 26/11/2023 10:50

If it's science, I imagine poor behaviour makes the session actually unsafe, which is a major problem. I'd discuss with your line manager or SLT and explain that you feel the session isn't safe with certain pupils present and what do they advise.

Keep sending them out though, explain it's a safety issue - the more you make this an SLT problem the more likely they are to do something about it!

PumpkinPie2016 · 26/11/2023 15:54

@Postapocalypticcowgirl thank you - you are absolutely right, it is about safety! When you are dealing with flames and chemicals, behaviour has to be spot on.

I will try to come at it from that point of view and hopefully something will be resolved.

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Hayliebells · 27/11/2023 18:42

Do you have sixth formers who can help? It can be good for their CV, and often they enjoy it. A few extra pairs of hands can help hugely. Are you running it like a extra lesson? If so, I'd stop doing that, unless you have crazy strict behaviour expectations in your school. I run a science club (well actually the sixth formers do, I'm there to guide/supervise, and they're loads better at being engaging than me!). It's nothing like a lesson, we do fun, safe activities, with the emphasis on fun. Coke and Mentoes type stuff. Why do you even need them to be quiet for the register? Just do it whilst they're getting on with something. I barely plan anything for the club and as long as they're being safe, a bit of messing around is ok imo. Any really problem students (refusal to follow safety instructions etc) can he kicked out, surely?

PumpkinPie2016 · 28/11/2023 05:56

@Hayliebells no sixth formers sadly. I will try doing the register while they do something.

Unfortunately, at our school, it is supposed to be like another lesson so has to be properly planned etc. I am going to be working towards CREST awards with them - hopefully!

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Hayliebells · 28/11/2023 08:30

That sounds particularly rubbish. Is it included in your directed time calendar? It's difficult to see how this fits in if you've also got meetings/parents evenings too. If it doesn't fit in its voluntary, so you should be able to run it how you like.

mrscatwoman · 01/12/2023 15:39

It sounds a ridiculous set up and SLT need to step up. I'm on SLT and if I was informed of this, I'd be telling you to inform parents that their child's behaviour isn't good enough to be allowed this opportunity as they are making it dangerous. They have one week to turn it around and if they don't they'll be dispersed among some of the other clubs, and tough shit if it's not one they like. Obviously, tell the kids directly too. Ideally, at least one of the kids will play up and then you can make an example of them. Any further issues once they've moved, and offenders will not be allowed any club at all but with spend the time in SLT detention. I hope it's included in your directed time though.

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