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ECT under allocation? Or not!

12 replies

MumofSpud · 12/09/2023 18:35

Hi
Can anybody answer this
Am I under allocated?
I am ECT 1 (soon to be 2)

I work 3 days
Teach 11/15 periods

Also:
3/3 lunch duties (house tutor)
1/3 break duty
2/3 after school meetings / club

I assume allocation is only re: lessons rather than break duties

TIA

OP posts:
WedRine · 12/09/2023 18:40

How many periods are there in a school day? Are you in a private school?

MumofSpud · 12/09/2023 18:45

WedRine · 12/09/2023 18:40

How many periods are there in a school day? Are you in a private school?

5 periods a day (I teach x3 days a week)

No - a regular state sec

I keep trying to work it out but get muddled!Blush

OP posts:
MrsHamlet · 12/09/2023 19:34

Well you can't be down to do lunch duty because you're not paid at lunch time.

Ditto extra curricular. Why is that timetabled?

MrsHamlet · 12/09/2023 19:36

ECT 2 is 95% of a full timer's allocation. The easiest way to work it out would be to look at the allocation of a 0.6 teacher with no additional responsibility and work back from there.

MumofSpud · 12/09/2023 20:48

So I am 0.6 as I work 3 days a week

Re: break and lunch duties - everyone does them

Is the allocation for teaching hours National rather than individual school?

I think I need to go via union as I am none the wiser!

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MrsHamlet · 12/09/2023 20:59

Are you in an academy?

You do need to speak to your rep I think.

Break duties are counted in directed time, but you're not paid for lunch so you can't be directed to do that (unless you're on SLT or the lead practitioner scale)

1265 is national.

WedRine · 12/09/2023 21:44

@MrsHamlet is correct. Have you got a copy of your directed time calendar?

MumofSpud · 12/09/2023 22:02

I am neither SLT nor lead practitioner!
But all teaching staff have break duties and I am also a house tutor for half of lunch

If the National is 1265 hours, I am then 0.6 of that? 759??
Then that is divided by the amount of working weeks? 39
So 19.5

So I am well under?!

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MumofSpud · 12/09/2023 22:04

MumofSpud · 12/09/2023 22:02

I am neither SLT nor lead practitioner!
But all teaching staff have break duties and I am also a house tutor for half of lunch

If the National is 1265 hours, I am then 0.6 of that? 759??
Then that is divided by the amount of working weeks? 39
So 19.5

So I am well under?!

Hang on that's not right - there are only 15 periods in 3 days
FFS - this is why I am not a Maths teacher!

OP posts:
MrsHamlet · 12/09/2023 22:09

There are three issues here.

Your timetable allocation which should be 95% of that of a full time teacher, Prorated to 0.6

Your directed time, which should be 0.6 of what a full time teacher does. 1265 is a maximum, not a target.

Your lunch duty. Are you being paid for it in addition to your teaching contract?

angelcake20 · 12/09/2023 23:39

I am 0.6 and teach 12/15, but I think that might be one hour under a fortnight as full time staff are on 43/50 per fortnight (I've never received the official "under" email) so 11 looks like it could be considered as under for ECT2. All staff do 2 duties per week, either break, lunch or after school. After school meetings are officially part of directed time but no one has ever actually specified how that time is made up, in spite of regular requests.

WedRine · 13/09/2023 09:56

You're getting confused with 2 different issues here.1. Your ECT allowance is only for teaching hours, so from 15 hours, you are probably going to be teaching 12 of those.The ECT extra PPA time isn't on other commitments. 2. You need to look at how the school breaks up the your hours, and whether lunch duties are included, because if not, then they can't ask you to work during lunch (even if you are a house tutor). If lunch duties are included in the allocated time budget, then it means something else has had to give.The way the allocated time budget is distributed for part timers depends on the school. In some schools, you will just do 60% of the calendar. So for example, if every Monday you have briefing, every Tuesday 1 hour of CPD, parents evenings and open evenings etc land on a Friday, detention duty 1x per half term, and after school duty 1x per week, then in some schools they might say "look, we know you only work Monday to Wednesday but we really need you in on the Friday parents evenings, take that time away from meetings and CPD". Other schools follow union guidance of you just working on your working days, so in my example, that teacher wouldn't attend any parents evenings.

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