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Dyslexia and expectations with changing your teaching methods

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Tauranga · 05/08/2022 09:27

Hello, I wondered if any teachers from high school/ secondary school would be able to help me. My boy is extremely dyslexic and I have had to have various meetings about him. The school reacts by saying yes to changing the way they teach him. However the changes they are making to the teaching is only applied to my son. Ten percent, or probably more, kids have dyslexia but they literally ignore this fact unless a parent becomes involved. I was wondering if any of you are in a school which has a generic dyslexia friendly way of teaching which has been rolled out to all teachers? In our case, homework is presented through many ways but one way emails the parents to let them know the child has homework. This helps disorganised kids as their parents can remind them. Easy to use but only a handful of teachers use it. Another is writing on a whiteboard. White with black writing is the worst for reading for dyslexics, and as it is a processing disorder it is hard to copy words down from a board, especially if the words are jigging about.....however most teachers keep doing this, using black pens etc. We are a fully ipad friendly school and the teachers could use this to present all materials electronically but instead some take pictures of book pages as jpegs which means children cannot use immersive reader....I could go on. I am trying to get a standard way to present information to the pupils which includes dyslexic children, and wondered if any school already has this in place. I would really appreciate any tips and help from the professionals! Ps all the teachers I have approached are wonderful, and try very hard to help my son. However i have to go through this every year, and it seems bonkers that the school doesn't implement a system of teaching which includes all the children. Thank you for any comments x

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Hercisback · 22/08/2022 16:39

I'm not entirely sure exactly what the conditions are without looking at their EHCPs and I'm not in school at the moment. I do know some students have very poor eyesight overall and black on white is the best for them (says their medical info).
We have previously had students who can only see white and black, some version of colour blindness from memory but that may not be entirely correct.

TheNefariousOrange · 22/08/2022 19:49

justfiveminutes · 22/08/2022 16:28

"Some students refuse to use any differentiation, even if they need it or it benefits them. They don't like to be different to their peers."

I completely understand this. That's why I like 'differentiation' provided for the whole class - supports those with SEN and those without too (or at least doesn't disadvantage them).

I don't understand...so you don't differentiate up either for the more able in the class?

justfiveminutes · 22/08/2022 20:48

"I don't understand...so you don't differentiate up either for the more able in the class?"

Of course. I was thinking about op's question I suppose and how easy it is to support SEN pupils - including those with dyslexia - with whole-class changes that don't stigmatise the individual.

justfiveminutes · 22/08/2022 20:58

Hercisback · 22/08/2022 16:39

I'm not entirely sure exactly what the conditions are without looking at their EHCPs and I'm not in school at the moment. I do know some students have very poor eyesight overall and black on white is the best for them (says their medical info).
We have previously had students who can only see white and black, some version of colour blindness from memory but that may not be entirely correct.

I don't think we need to worry about coloured backgrounds or overlays for dyslexic students now as these have been discredited and proven ineffective unless there is an additional condition such as irlens. But size and font choice are easily considered when producing new resources I think.

Tauranga · 22/08/2022 21:22

These comments are very helpful to me, even if just to see what reactions I will get from asking teachers for changes.
One advantage I have is that my school gave every child an ipad. Therefore giving out homework and having digital content in format which suits all is very easy
I know teachers have lots of work however I am not asking for more work to be done, but the same work presented differently.

Also, can someone explain why a blue background would impact a child who cannot see blue?

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TheNefariousOrange · 22/08/2022 21:27

justfiveminutes · 22/08/2022 20:48

"I don't understand...so you don't differentiate up either for the more able in the class?"

Of course. I was thinking about op's question I suppose and how easy it is to support SEN pupils - including those with dyslexia - with whole-class changes that don't stigmatise the individual.

Which is easy to do for aesthetics on the board, or for example writing frames, I agree with you, you can plan that for the whole class. But you can't do that for every task. Maybe it's subject dependant. In my subject where I'd expect them to know a set bank of words to be able to access the lesson, I definitely wouldn't be including the definition on the board, I'd expect them to look it up or look back in their books. Someone who I knew had poor recall or slow process I would know would waste a lot more learning time doing that, and spelling would impede their ability to accurately use the dictionary and probably struggle with the size of the text. They would definitely need an alteration to the task. This might be a key words bank print out for example. Not every student would get that, so still you'd have that clear divide in the class on who was getting the help sheet. And I definitely wouldn't give everyone the help sheet because 90% of my apathetic year 9 boys would use it when actually they don't need it, they just can't be bothered to try.

TheNefariousOrange · 22/08/2022 21:52

Tauranga · 22/08/2022 21:22

These comments are very helpful to me, even if just to see what reactions I will get from asking teachers for changes.
One advantage I have is that my school gave every child an ipad. Therefore giving out homework and having digital content in format which suits all is very easy
I know teachers have lots of work however I am not asking for more work to be done, but the same work presented differently.

Also, can someone explain why a blue background would impact a child who cannot see blue?

I think in which way presented differently is the question. I agree that fonts and backgrounds are easy and if students have access to ipads, there are apps where they can change the backgrounds ect themselves so should be easier. I think screenshot or uploaded worksheets from a textbook that the teacher cannot edit is always going to be a difficulty and might require a different conversation with senco about getting a reading pen for homework and having the document printed off.

With regards to your second question, it could be a case of the student being unable to differentiate the colours properly so the text isn't really legible, or make the text itself a strain to read. I once taught a student who needed the text (not the background) to be purple. It was fine because it didn't impact the rest of the class but if I'd have had another student who needed a blue background, that could have caused an issue.

Hercisback · 22/08/2022 22:02

When creating new, fair enough to use dyslexia friendly stuff. Fonts and backgrounds sound a quick fix, but can take ages on existing resources.

I use the snipping tool to get bespoke questions for maths and recolouring each image takes AGES!

The blue background makes it harder to see the black because the contrast isn't as high between the two colours, especially with VI students. (Not an eye expert, this is how senco explained it).

Tauranga · 22/08/2022 22:19

Thanks so much, I am finding out loads and appreciate your replies.

I know it would take time to change the existing material and there is no easy workaround. Except I think I would do it for my teachers!

It makes such a difference and I feel strongly that a school would spend thousands to put ramps in classrooms to help wheelchair bound children access their classes, and so they should pay teachers extra time to help update their resources to help dyslexic students access their classes.

Pigs might fly though!

And to each of you who helps a dyslexic child feel confident and helps them in one way or another, thank you....I can't say it enough!

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TheNefariousOrange · 23/08/2022 06:58

Tauranga · 22/08/2022 22:19

Thanks so much, I am finding out loads and appreciate your replies.

I know it would take time to change the existing material and there is no easy workaround. Except I think I would do it for my teachers!

It makes such a difference and I feel strongly that a school would spend thousands to put ramps in classrooms to help wheelchair bound children access their classes, and so they should pay teachers extra time to help update their resources to help dyslexic students access their classes.

Pigs might fly though!

And to each of you who helps a dyslexic child feel confident and helps them in one way or another, thank you....I can't say it enough!

I don't want paying extra to do overtime. I have a child and she deserves me to be present as well. Again, this goes back to my original post that parents assume teachers can work longer and longer to solve the massive issues in schools.

I used to tick every box in my 20s. My school was good and I did get paid overtime. But to fit in my job to the level it actually required, I was in at 7am every day and didn't leave till 7pm at the very very earliest and I was also in most Saturdays running extra intervention classes. It was not sustainable, I had a breakdown after 4 years and took 6 months off on sick. In that time, every child had a non-specialist supply. Every child got the same worksheet printed off the Internet to keep them busy. No one had their needs met. When I came back to work, they told me they didn't know where they could cut the pressure as it all NEEDED doing. And they were right.

My books needed marking.
Parents expect children to be able to come back after to school to get homework help.
I was contracted to do all the open days, parent's evenings, year 9 GCSE taster events etc, all happening outside of school hours.
I needed to plan my lessons.
I was expected to have differentiated resources personalised to the need of every student in the class. Of which, as mentioned before, nowadays there are a lot.
Parents expect revision sessions to be put on.

Then you have all the extra stuff like organising trips, guest speakers, assemblies.

I'm not going back to working those hours, so I quit and found a school that respected my time more. It's still impossible to do it all, so corners get cut. But there is an understanding that I am a human, not a machine, and I can only do my best with the time and resources available to me.

I have also worked at a school where ramps did not get installed for a disabled student. The student had all their classes in an accessible ground-floor room and all the class moved to that room rather than moving to the teacher's room. We don't even have money for books in September. Like literally, the kids will start in September and I have about 5 pieces of paper left over from last year and no books.

Again, if schools were funded properly, class sizes could be smaller, meaning we have less books to mark, less students disrupting the learning, less students to cater the needs to, less parents to see at parents evening. This would increase the time I have outside of school. Funding schools properly would allow us to go back to the days when we could afford teaching assistants, so students with SEN get additional support and would allow for things like a student WiFi to be in schools so students could download the resources onto a device so they can apply coloured filters etc, perhaps do their work on a Google docs instead of in an exercise book because dyslexic handwriting can be impossible to read, so I'm missing additional errors when marking.

Teachers, 99% of the time, really care about every young person they teach. But I just kind of wanted to give you another picture as to why it may not be spot on every time. This is also going to get worse whilst people still keep voting Tory. Teachers have had enough of the hours and are leaving in droves. There's a group on social media for teachers planning on quitting the profession with hundreds of thousands of members and is growing, not shrinking. Those people leaving are often accepting a pay cut just to get a work-life balance. Training programs are not not being filled. Experienced teachers are being managed out and replaced for cheaper teachers who won't have the same level of knowledge on SEN.

There's basic things a school can do to be more dyslexia friendly, but to do it properly, what they need is time.

Atomsaway · 04/09/2022 19:31

Hello,
My son is dyslexic and also has Irlen’s syndrome. Just diagnosed with ADHD too.
I am also a teacher and often have groups with high numbers of SEN students.
This is what I do in our iPad school:

  1. All PowerPoint slides are light grey with open dyslexia font. When my son was diagnosed with Irlen’s I asked the specialist what colour to make my slides. His advice was to keep it fairly neutral as people require different colours. I must add that this not for dyslexia. It is for Irlen’s syndrome (visual stress). People can have Irlen’s with or without dyslexia and coloured overlays are not for specifically for dyslexic students.
  2. I share a student version of my PowerPoint to the class, sometimes with word fills or spaces to draw/type/write.
  3. Instructions are short
  4. I try to chunk work up into manageable parts.
  5. I walk around and sometimes place a post it note with two simple reminders/instructions.
  6. I use mind mapping/knowledge organisers
  7. I give short, interleaved quizzes to repeat work frequently.
  8. I often give voice note feedback and ask students to write down and act on what I say.
Many strategies actually work well for most kids to be fair and it doesn’t really matter if I keep similar slides for different groups.

There’s also the accessibility function on the iPad which turns the screen different shades to suit if Irlen’s is a problem.

Tauranga · 04/09/2022 22:15

@Atomsaway thank you for taking the time to reply, this is so helpful! Thank you.

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