Part time Teachers! Pay for extra days?

[MissAtomicBomb1]

Looking for views from part timers who sometimes work extra days.

I am contracted to work 2 days a week in a primary. I've been asked to work extra hours recently to cover staff/PPA etc. These aren't contracted.

I'm M6 and got a bit of a surprise when I got my payslip as I'm being paid quite a bit less than expected.
I thought extra days were calculated at salary/195 as we don't get paid for the hols.
Mine seems to have been divided by 365 so I'm getting about £120 a day (20ish per hour) which is the same rate as my contracted days that are spread over the year and paid in the holidays.
I'm going to challenge it with the business manager but wanted to check on here first how other peoples extra hours/days are paid.

Sounds like you’re being paid around M1 which is frequently the default supply rate for a teaching day (although it would be plus agency fees).

Sorry, I didn't make it clear in my OP. The extra hours are in the school where I am employed (under stpcd not an academy).

If you look at the reverse, a day of strike, it is calculated at 1/365, not 1/195 as per burgundy book. I would get clarification but on an annual salary contract, an extra days work is 1/365, not 1/260 (for a 5 day a week contract). Annual leave on annual hour contracts is accounted by ensuring annual hours don't exceed maximum working hours per year, so a notional 5.6 minimum annual leave minimum). Ask to be paid an hourly rate for the extra.

Yes but a striking teacher would be contracted, therefore their salary would be divided by 365 to ensure they are paid in equal instalments over the year. Someone working supply wouldn't get any pay deducted - they just wouldn't be paid for that day!

The stpcd says:

Teachers employed on a day-to-day or other short notice basis must be paid in accordance with the provisions of this Document on a daily basis calculated on the assumption that a full working year consists of 195 days, periods of employment for less than a day being calculated pro rata.
This requires that supply teachers employed under the provisions of the STPCD must be paid in accordance with the pay ranges and pay scales that apply to other teachers. In determining the daily rate for the supply teacher, the school/local authority must calculate this on a pro rata basis on the assumption that the teacher’s working year consists of 195 working days.
Daily rate = X (annual salary) 195 days

I just wondered if other part time teachers are paid this rate for their extra hours.

But the 195, then includes all the other days of the year. As you are contracted you need to look at if you agreed to do the extra day for 39 weeks, would you be paid more than a person on an existing 0.6 contract - as colleagues might see it unfair.

The STPCD does includes a provision for additional payment for working extra time. The formula for this payment provides, in effect, for part time teachers to receive 1/1265 of the appropriate full time pay rate for each hour of additional working time.

It is very common for part time staff to be paid normal rate for extra hours, before getting higher rates, for the very reason, it is unfair on full time staff, if part time staff can earn the same for working less hours.

I think the point I'm trying to make, but not explaining very well is that contracted hours are are are paid over the entire year, hence a lower daily rate on our payslip as they are averaged out and paid for the 13 weeks we don't work.
Extra 'supply' hours are only paid if they are worked. They are not paid over the holidays. Therefore although the daily rate seems higher as it is salary/195. The holiday pay is packaged into this rate.

It wouldn't be disadvantaging contracted staff as they are also getting salary/195 for the days they work but is paid over the entire year including holidays.

Basically as it stands I'm working the extra day for the entire year (3 days in total so 0.6) with no pay for the extra day in the holidays. Whereas a colleague with a 0.6 contract gets paid over the holidays for the full 3 days Seems unfair.

Each hour worked is 1/1260 so if annual salary is 25000, for working 0.4, you get £10,000, for working 0.6 it is £15000. 0.6 annual hours are 756. 25,000÷1260×756= 15000. Supply at 0.6 is 25,000÷195×117 (117 days being 60% of 195) = £15,000.

So if you have been paid your normal hourly rate, it seems right as you are on an annual hours contract. As annual hours contracts outside of teaching are still fairly rare there isn't much published around them - although used by staff wanting to work term time only for childcare reasons and any extra hours are paid at hourly rate, because leave is built into the calculation compared to hours worked full time.

Make sure you are getting the right amount of PPA for the hours worked, you should get 10% of the extra hours worked.

The difference will be is that you have had more now in your pay, not divided by 12, but over the holidays, you will have a reduction in the amount of tax you pay, as tax assumes consistent pay in every pay period (you don't see it as a refund, it just balances itself out).

Anyone working annual hours, doesn't get a leave allocation as such, all non working days are leave because by their very nature, your not working, but if you were working a set weekly amount, you have to "book" leave so it is clear non working day - so if someone who works a weekly allocated number of hours, wants to take the whole of August off, they "book" it as leave, they still work the same number of hours over the year as someone who "books" a single week off every 3 months, those on annual hours and weekly hours are all paid for holidays and pay split over 12 months, they equal out in different ways. They may all get paid the same hourly rate.

I do extra hours and get paid hourly for these. £29 an hour is the standard supply rate and I get 6.5 hour pay per day 8.20 am- 3.20 minus 30 min for lunch. The supply rate applies to any pay scale.

£188 a day only for the days I am there.

It's easier work than my normal job and I leave at 3.20.

Also it casual so I can just not turn up with no comeback.

Can you clarify your m6 daily rate (gross pay x 12/ 195) and what you are getting for the extra day.

I think if I was doing a job for a whole year I'd want a new temporary contract.

(Although when I took three weeks unpaid leave the 1/365 was VERY favourable)

It think the problem is they are casual hours.

I don't expect to be paid in the holiday for these. Just an additional bonus for the month I worked them.

Never really though about it. I'm usually quite astute. Mice lost about three days pay with having Mondays of what with covid closures, extra training days and reshuffled training days and the jubilee this year.

Thank you for your reply.
Yes £29 per hour is the 1/195 rate that I have been paid by school for my supply/casual hours in the past.
I was paid £21 per hour for my additional hours this month which is the 1/365 rate that we get for our contracted hours spread over the year - these aren't contracted so I think I should have been paid the 1/195 rate or, as you say, contracted for the extra hours over the year!

Like you I enjoy the flexibility of casual hours and I'm happy to be paid term time only...but at the correct rate!
I've messaged our SBM so will await her reply.