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Teachers' Guide to Sex and Gender

17 replies

ZIGGY7 · 24/04/2022 16:42

This looks useful here

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partystress · 27/04/2022 18:08

I agree. Great to see something to correct the torrent of misinformation that has gone into schools in the form of training and toolkits.

Hope it’s part of a bigger turning of the tide.

QuickFoxRun · 27/04/2022 20:27

I found it a bit unclear to be honest! The resources from Stonewall have been really useful for our school.

ValancyRedfern · 28/04/2022 21:08

Sex Matters have also produced a comprehensive guide on correctly applying the Equality Act in schools.

ValancyRedfern · 28/04/2022 21:08

sex-matters.org/take-action/send-guidance-to-school/

Not sure why link didn't appear

Hercisback · 28/04/2022 21:26

@QuickFoxRun

Have you read the recent report from DfE. You shouldn't be using stonewall stuff in schools.

QuickFoxRun · 28/04/2022 23:19

That’s a shame. They’re a fantastic organisation. It is so hard for our LGBTQ+ kids at the moment with all of the hostility in the media. Stonewall have been really supportive.

Hercisback · 29/04/2022 16:40

@QuickFoxRun i suggest that you read some of the linked pages and find out why some of the stonewall resources really aren't suitable in an educational environment. Students need clarity and truth, not misinformation.

QuickFoxRun · 29/04/2022 17:27

We haven’t found any misinformation in our Stonewall resources though? Like I said, we’ve always found them excellent.

helloisitmeyourelookingfor · 29/04/2022 18:55

@QuickFoxRun

Do you work for stonewall???

There is so much misinformation and bias that it's dangerous

Hercisback · 29/04/2022 21:28

You really need to read more outside of Stonewall and the cult like following they get. Like a PP said, do you work for them?

The resources are factually incorrect about the EHRC.

The resources conflate sex and gender.

Read the DfE report.

QuickFoxRun · 29/04/2022 23:59

You’re posting on the staffroom. I don’t work for Stonewall… because I’m a teacher. Sorry, I’ve found this exchange a bit weird. There’s honestly nothing wrong with the guidance that Stonewall and other similar LGBTQ+ organisations provide to schools. They’re also really, really commonly used in schools. There isn’t anything scandalous about it. My school isn’t doing anything unusual and is a happy and inclusive place. Our LGBTQ+ students tell us that they feel safe and supported. Beyond that, we’ve had a very recent Ofsted, I’m sure it would’ve been flagged if there was anything we were doing that was of concern! I’m picking up that you feel quite passionately about Stonewall being somehow problematic, but we’ll have to agree to disagree.

Hercisback · 30/04/2022 07:15

Stonewall resources, especially for transgender issues, shouldn't be being used.

Listen to the Nolan podcast on BBC sounds for more information. Read the DfE recommendations.

It's very recently changed so you may have had ofsted inspectors that weren't up to date, or even been inspected before the changes.

I know we're on the staffroom. I'm a teacher too.

partystress · 30/04/2022 14:07

Stonewall used to be a really well run and focused organisation and it did great work in campaigning for gay, lesbian and bisexual people. It was much needed at a time when schools were under threat of prosecution if they were seen to endorse same sex relationships in any way.

I would hope all teachers now understand that representation of different kinds of relationship and different sexualities is vital for helping pupils not feel alienated or ‘not normal’. Stonewall and others deserve credit for much of that progress.

Unfortunately, gender identity has now taken over the whole agenda to the extent that most lesbians and many gay men feel that Stonewall has betrayed them. In addition, many feminists see Stonewall and other organisations involved with LGBTQ+ ‘diversity and inclusion’ promoting really quite regressive notions of what it means to be a boy or a girl.

Resources that suggest sex change is possible, that children may feel they were born in the wrong body, and that the right to use changing and toilet facilities that reflect an inner feeling of ‘gender’ trump girls’ right to privacy, have been widely used within schools and have often been well received by teachers because they come laden with rainbows and messages about being kind and self acceptance.

Teachers with a more gender critical perspective, those of us who believe that much of the messaging around gender identity is actively harmful for children, have felt unable to speak out, such has been the depth of institutional capture by Stonewall. This has not been a paranoid delusion. Several women have lost jobs for questioning the Stonewall view that transwomen are literally women, and that lesbians are transphobic if they reject the advances of a transwoman purely because they prefer not to sleep with people with penises. One such woman, a black lesbian lawyer, who was a campaigner for gay and lesbian rights all her adult life, is currently going through an employment tribunal. Stonewall pressured her employer, a legal chambers, because she had tweeted her belief that transwomen remained biologically male and her disgust at an employee of Stonewall runnning workshops aimed at helping transwomen overcome the ‘cotton ceiling’, ie more successfully persuade lesbians to sleep with them despite the fact they were still male-bodied.

This has become a bit long - sorry. But I have despaired at seeing schools and teachers let this organisation with all the very best of intentions, when it is currently so very focused on an agenda that denies biological sex as a factor in sexual attraction or as a basis for any legal protection.

ZIGGY7 · 23/05/2022 08:48

Well said, @partystress

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spirit20 · 28/05/2022 19:56

Anyone who doesn't support trans rights shouldn't work with young people. This is not about boys claiming to be girls so they can access girls toilets, it's about ensuring all young people have a safe space to be themselves.

partystress · 30/05/2022 01:52

@spirit20 this is not about stopping anyone from being themselves in a safe space. It IS about preserving the legally protected safe spaces that are provided on a sex segregated basis.

That includes sports - where girls and women need to compete separately from male-bodied competitors to have the same chance as men and boys to excel, earn a living and gain sponsorship.

it includes toilets and changing rooms, where teenage girls in particular, just getting their heads round periods and changing body shape, can have some privacy and a refuge from the male gaze and almost incessant ‘banter’ and frequent judgment on their breast size.

And while we all hope with all our hearts that our students will never need one, it includes being able to access rape crisis services in the knowledge that these will be provided by women, with no male bodied people present.

And while we all want to be kind and inclusive, it also means that we want to maintain all of the legal protections that all children are entitled to. So, for example, I don’t believe that calling a child ‘trans’ means they should be afforded any less safeguarding protection or subjected to any less rigorously researched medical treatment than any other child.

I am a mother and a teacher. I fought against Section 28. I have marched against racism and Brexit. I have voted Labour, Lib Dem or green all my life. I like to think anyone who knows me would describe me as kind and fair. I hate that my bedfellows on this question at the moment are the Tory party and the right-leaning press. But on this issue, their thinking is much more genuinely inclusive than Labour, the LDs or the NEU.

Stonewall and Mermaids and others have misrepresented the legal position and produced misleading guidance and resources. This new grouping offers a counterpoint, rooted in a factually accurate representation of the law and a genuine desire to keep children safe.

Symingtons · 30/05/2022 08:12

Excellent posts @partystress.

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