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Stretched staffing the norm?

18 replies

DinkyDaisy · 26/03/2022 13:13

Just want to check out the support staff situations in other schools before I make decisions about the school I am in!
Due to frequent restructures, only TAs in class are really intense one to ones.
This leaves teachers with little support for class interventions and support with behaviour etc.
Incredibly stretched across the school and both teachers and TAs work to the limit. Very tiring.
Is this the norm?

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DinkyDaisy · 26/03/2022 13:26

Primary school by the way.
I feel undervalued as well I guess.
I am not able to be the support in school I know I can be and just sad.
Utterly exhausted as well.

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WlNDMlLL · 26/03/2022 13:56

Was like that at my old school (academy) but they prioritised spending money on teachers so classes were slightly smaller than normal. Where I work now we seem to have a lot more money in the budget and general TAs as well as 1:1s.

DinkyDaisy · 26/03/2022 14:12

Sounds good windmill.
I have had hints from new staff and those who have left that we are not the norm....

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DinkyDaisy · 26/03/2022 14:58

SLT say all schools struggling but new staff (who have come into situation they were not expecting) and recently escaped staff, say different...

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monkeysox · 27/03/2022 09:16

Some schools still have teaching assistants some do not. It is not every school. But most schools are under strict budget control

thebookeatinggirl · 27/03/2022 09:54

We have 2 x TA in EYFS, and a class TA in Y1 Y2 Y2 and Y4, with Y5 and Y6 sharing one. Some classes also have 1:1 TAs with children who have funded EHCPs. However in our younger classes we now have children that simply can't function in the class (anxiety, unable to regulate behaviour, or possibly as yet undiagnosed ASD - but none with funding) and so nearly all 'class' TAs are currently functioning as 1:1 TAs and all are vying for the limited spaces we have outside of classes. KS1 class teachers in particular are pulling hair out trying to 'catch-up' classes but with less TA support for normal teaching and interventions than they had pre-Covid.

DinkyDaisy · 27/03/2022 10:04

We have lost class TAs and yet a lot of needs in class that cannot be supported by 1:1 TAs who really do have 'proper' 1:1s, especially in KS1.
Reception are only classes with more TAs.

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DelusionsOfGrandiflora · 27/03/2022 10:04

TAs in my school are all too busy covering (aka teaching) classes totally on their own to have time to support children or teachers any more.

FeeeeeeedMe · 27/03/2022 11:09

Same situation as a PP- 2 x EYFS TAs, and then 1 per year group, but every single one of those are doing 1-1 support for ASN or SEBD.

I’m just about managing, but it’s so draining. I know what supports my class need, but there’s too many of them to put it all into place.

DinkyDaisy · 27/03/2022 12:51

Expectations on TAs in our school are huge and yet so undervalued financially and often by SLT.

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Homez · 27/03/2022 13:16

Yes same situation here - many ECHP children, have not got the 1.1 support they should have. Huge SEN numbers in the school, mean the few good TAs we do have, are stretched to the limit. They are also required to cover teacher absence too.
School has been throwing money at hiring supply TAs, but they are often of a very poor standard…many have poor English and no experience whatsoever. It’s really quite a shambles. Ofsted will have a field day when they come….which is supposedly any day soon!

DinkyDaisy · 27/03/2022 14:20

We have children who have huge support needs but not yet an EHCP and children with less need that do. EHCPs not being processed quickly enough or at all...
TAs being put in impossible situations and teachers unsupported with rest of class.

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WlNDMlLL · 27/03/2022 19:13

I changed county and I think that'd what made the biggest difference to be honest. Children with SEND are much better supported here which makes everything easier. It's shocking how much of a postcode lottery it is.

Motheranddaughtertotwo · 27/03/2022 21:17

This sounds like my school too. TA’s are thin on the ground and I’m not surprised, at my school SLT treat them like second class citizens and their workload is insane. That means I have so many needs to meet and no matter how many hours I work I can’t keep up with it.

DinkyDaisy · 27/03/2022 21:31

Unpaid lunch breaks for TAs ( half hour if lucky) and tricky to have time to go to the toilet apart from lunch...
No time to breathe...

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Homez · 27/03/2022 22:41

Yes..and even break & MDS duties too…having decided it is cheaper to bleed stones than actually pay MDS like they used to. It’s a spiral of descent I’m afraid. The supply pool is not what it used to be…and the repercussions will be huge.

GetTheGoodLookingGuy · 29/03/2022 19:35

Our school has a TA per class, but it still feels very stretched. We have lots of children with high levels of need and are in a very deprived area. I have kids in my class working 3 years behind their age group; children with (undiagnosed) ASD; children recently arrived with very little English; children who've lost parents; children who are living in refuges hiding from a parent; children who have witnessed domestic violence... the list goes on.

One child has a 1:2:1. As the class TA, I spend 90% of my time with two other children, both of whom really need 1:2:1s. I do Maths and English 1:2:1 with a child everyday, run a phonics group twice a day, try and hear at least 20 children read per week, look at reading records, mark homework, and spend any 'spare' time I have herding a wandering child back into class.

Plus as TAs we regularly don't hear about anything until the last possible minute - sometimes I go into a class to collect my phonics group to be told they're not going out today, when I've already spent some of my -nonexistant- time planning and preparing for the group. And when the teacher needs any extra time out of class (on top of scheduled PPA time) I end up covering by myself (or alongside the 1:2:1 if her child is managing to stay in the classroom).

It just feels like there's no time to breathe at the moment!

And teacher's starting salaries are increasing to £30,000, yet with the rise in the cost of living, TAs have effectively had a paycut in recent years...

SiliconDioxide79 · 30/03/2022 18:25

Yes....have classes with ECHP students and no TA at all.

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