Are there any teachers here (or groups elsewhere) who are concerned about how gender identity ideology and the queer theory are appearing in schools?

[Leafstamp]

I have been telling a couple of teacher friends about some of the horror stories in schools where children are being taught some very questionable 'facts' about gender identity and also regarding the edges of queer theory that seek to erode sexual boundaries.

It seems that the teaching profession, and teacher forums are full of proponents of gender identity theory and queer theory, which I find troubling.

Parents are campaigning against this, but are there teachers who are getting their heads together to tackle these problems?

Very worried. Genderbread person taught, reinforcing stereotypes. The word ‘girl’ no longer used in a girls’ school. ‘Assigned at birth’ used as if it were some sorting hat process. A modern foreign languages display board given over to neo-pronouns rather than anything meaningfully cultural or linguistic. ‘Transphobic’ bullying must be recorded and data available for Ofsted, despite there being no agreed definition of transphobia and, as this thread shows, simple questioning of the impact of gender identity ideology, or assertion of the existence of people who are same SEX attracted, often being labelled as bigotry. I see girls’ toilets (a refuge from sexual and sexist ‘banter’ and harassment) being removed in refurbishments in favour of gender neutral loos.

Recently retired, leftie and old enough to have campaigned against Section 28, I am very worried. I don’t see any of the unions standing up for women or raising the risks of reinforcing regressive stereotypes (and my union chose a T dominated charity partner last year). I think concerns raised via governors, to MPs, local authorities and using the TT and SSA materials are probably safer and possibly more effective. So glad I am not having to deal with this.

My thread title mentioned queer theory too.

Are those who have posted to say they are not worried also happy about Queer Theory in schools?

Specifically the queer theory that ‘liberates’ you from boxes and labels, whilst relying on other to stay within those boxes and labels to make the liberation happen.

The Queer Theory that also potentially ‘liberates’ you from boundaries (and morality…..?)

Someone on Twitter got no meaningful answer when she asked for a reason why ‘Q+’ in the LGBTQ+ could not include paraphilias like paedophilia and bestiality.

@Leafstamp

My thread title mentioned queer theory too.

Are those who have posted to say they are not worried also happy about Queer Theory in schools?

Specifically the queer theory that ‘liberates’ you from boxes and labels, whilst relying on other to stay within those boxes and labels to make the liberation happen.

The Queer Theory that also potentially ‘liberates’ you from boundaries (and morality…..?)

Someone on Twitter got no meaningful answer when she asked for a reason why ‘Q+’ in the LGBTQ+ could not include paraphilias like paedophilia and bestiality.

... and that last sentence is where you stopped being a person to take seriously.

@WayDownInTheHole, two things:

1. That is not my view, I was simply telling the events of a Twitter thread.

1. If it’s so ridiculous, perhaps you can explain what exactly does stop paraphilias being excluded from the Queer umbrella. I’d be very grateful.

[quote Leafstamp]@WayDownInTheHole, two things:

1. That is not my view, I was simply telling the events of a Twitter thread.

1. If it’s so ridiculous, perhaps you can explain what exactly does stop paraphilias being excluded from the Queer umbrella. I’d be very grateful.[/quote]
2. "I'm just asking questions". Excuse me while I stop my eyes rolling further back into my head.

1. The sexual preferences that fall under the queer umbrella are between consenting adults. Animals and children can't consent. This is a tired and deeply offensive homophobic trope that has been historically used to target and oppress queer people. It's appalling that you're even bringing it to the argument. Have some decency.

Are questions not allowed then?

Exactly where is it defined that Queer Theory only applies to consenting adults? This is a genuine question as I can report back to the person who was concerned about the on Twitter.

Do people with paraphilias other than paedophilia/bestiality fall under Queer umbrella or are they excluded?

As an ex teacher and now a parent, this worries me immensely.

The fact that teachers have come on here, and instead of engaging in adult discourse, have resorted to name calling and essentially saying “shut up bigot” absolutely terrifies me.

Is this what my daughter will be faced with if she dares to question this ideology? If she protests sharing single sex spaces with male students?

Horrifying.

Placemarking.

It's a big issue in Facebook RSE groups.

I've observed some worrying discussions in the Key Facebook group for primary senior leaders.

Some completely dismissed any concerns about unisex loos.

I've fallen off the much loved and supportive cv thread here because I'm actively supporting people who are looking at this stuff.

Biggest issue is the teacher teaching colleges.

... and that last sentence is where you stopped being a person to take seriously.

But people within queer theory have suggested incorporating zoophilia into LGBTQ+. See this link:

www.jstor.org/stable/23254843 (from 2012)

If you want to criticise without knowing the facts that's up to you but finding the OP at fault over this is ignorant.

This is partially being driven by porn.

I'd urge not to Google what sissy hypno porn is but many of the answers to this trend are found there.

Detrans stories are extremely illuminating for deconstructing what effects on young people lead them to this.

It's also now just not cool to be straight. It's the new emo/ goth except that it's going further than getting a few piercings and a tattoo. Having a mastectomy as a short term life goal at 14 isn't the same as dying your hair green and having a splif.

And then when certain RSE schemes go to great lengths to cover the trans umbrella and school make unisex or gender queer loos, the whole thing is normalised. I'm in two RSE Facebook groups and to even query the status quo leads to piles ons and bannings. Posting the gov guidance gets deleted.

I personally know 3 detransitioned young women who describe being groomed as teens by older men who said they were trans.

It’s really bad at the school I work in. Lots ofROGD girls, Stonewall training, raising money for mermaids. I tried to broach the subject with another teacher and was told to ‘be careful’ jk Rowling was mentioned and not in a nice way.
My conscience won’t allow me to sit back and watch it happen but I am afraid for my job.

Gender ideology is beginning to effect even our youngest children's education. Some schools have been stonewalled down to foundation level. Along with pressure from the top is pressure from parents who are insisting that their 3/4/5 year olds are a they and that's the pronouns that staff should use. It's ridiculous. I've raised the issue of what happens when parent enrols their child in nursery as a girl when he is fact a boy or vice versa? No answer yet from SLT.

@WarOnWoman

Gender ideology is beginning to effect even our youngest children's education. Some schools have been stonewalled down to foundation level. Along with pressure from the top is pressure from parents who are insisting that their 3/4/5 year olds are a they and that's the pronouns that staff should use. It's ridiculous. I've raised the issue of what happens when parent enrols their child in nursery as a girl when he is fact a boy or vice versa? No answer yet from SLT.

I’ve seen commentary about this being like a form of Munchausen by proxy.

For parents and children alike it seems that gender identity ideology is definitely their new religion. As well as being ‘special’ the lunchtime LGBTQ clubs held indoors in the warm with biscuits and flags and badges and rainbows are especially appealing to some children.

I am concerned, but luckily work in a school that has a good handle on the issue whilst being supportive of children exploring issues. Seems at present to be getting it right by being both supportive but not promoting the issue.
However, I've haven't heard it discussed at all in the open.