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I feel like a crap NQT

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Internetperson1 · 10/09/2021 21:50

I don’t know what it is but I feel so rubbish. I have some hard classes mainly the lower sets and I came home today and cried because even though I’m harsh on them they just spiral within seconds I’m gonna keep using the policies till I’m blue in the face but it just doesn’t really fix stuff sometimes. I feel like I’m useless

I feel like I’m going through things slower just because I have to keep stopping to flag behaviour. so then I’m nervous I’m gonna be too far behind and that’s not good either.

I just have this overbearing sense I’m not doing this job justice no matter what and I can’t shake it

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barbrahunter · 10/09/2021 22:02

I was you, quite a long time ago. It does get better and you are not crap. Teaching is a bloody hard job, especially at first, but it looks like you're doing everything you should be doing right now. Keep plugging away, and keep using sanctions consistently. Ask for all the support available.Things will get better.

MrsHamlet · 10/09/2021 22:18

Being "harsh" on them is not the way to go. Firm but fair is different, and you'll likely find they respond better. Kill with kindness.
It's tough. You'll get there.

Internetperson1 · 10/09/2021 22:24

Everyone told me I was too nice and leaninent so by harsh I meant I just follow through straight away with however many strikes then detentions I need to give. Before I’d let things slide but now as soon as I see it slip it just goes on the board. Even if it’s oh well mr so and so let’s us do this and things like miss can I move from the seating plan to sit next to x again a no or things like shouting across the room.

I try to be human with them though sometimes I just do laugh things off when they make jokes. But I feel so burnt out rn haha

Thanks for the advice though it’s super helpful Grin

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Internetperson1 · 10/09/2021 22:31

I feel like I’m shit Barbara I hope the feeling wears off thanks for your help

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Internetperson1 · 10/09/2021 22:38

I just re read what I said and it sounds like im being rude im not haha sorry! Just feeling knackered!!

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MrsHamlet · 10/09/2021 22:39

Shouting across the room is not the same as asking to move though.
"Miss, can I move?"
"Not today. We'll see how it goes."
We don't have a names on the board policy - some staff do it but I tend to think that turns into a game that they're playing with you!

Internetperson1 · 10/09/2021 22:57

Yeah so atm there’s 35 in my room because we have a support who takes them out but they’re isolating. So when I say that the noise does go insane for them it so does. By the end I’m just drinking about a whole bottle of water. In fairness in any school I did my placement training with they were really hot on it so it’s cool you don’t have it. But I like it I think they have so far respected once it’s on the board and they have this warning card thingy it’s not coming off

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Moonlitdoor · 11/09/2021 07:27

Follow the behaviour policy and keep going. Do make sure the school is supporting you. Ask for someone to observe to see if they have any suggestions. Are the kids sat in a seating plan? Do you have a copy of it in front of you at all times, at least until you have learned all their names. Make sure you catch a few of them behaving and praise them. Try and phone home to the worst offenders and also make praise calls to some of the hard working and well behaved ones. It gets better but it is so tough at first and you care so you're not crap.

It can be the management. I am working in a school where SLT really support staff with behaviour and if you say a kid is misbehaving out they go. It's great. None of this oh if only your lesson was better you wouldn't have these problems.

Getawaywithit · 11/09/2021 08:31

Have you had a look at your seating plans? I find boy/girl very effective as a starting point when I don’t know a class well.

AttaGirrrrl · 11/09/2021 09:28

First off, don’t worry too much about the progress at this point. Classes always go slower at the start of the term than later in the year. At this stage, it is much more important to establish yourself with your classes so that you can make progress later.

Next, stop being ‘harsh’. Kids hate staff they see as harsh. They crave ‘fair’. They also like ‘predictable’ so work really really hard on your routines. For example, what does the start of your lesson look like? In my classes, there are always five retrieval questions up on the board as the class arrive. I hand piles of books to the first few pupils for them to give out, everyone else comes in, gets themselves sorted and immediately starts answering the questions in the back of their books because they do it every lesson so know what to do. This gives me time to take the register and deal with any problems (eg the kid without a pen or the child who’s broken their leg and needs a chair to prop it up on). We then talk through the answers - giving me a chance to give some early positive praise to the pupils who need it (probably the same ones that are asking you to change seats). At this point, I am absolutely consistent in insisting on silence. If someone speaks while another child is giving an answer, I make the answeree pause, “you’re doing brilliantly Jack but some people have forgotten to be polite” and then I wait. No names on the board. No shouting. Just wait. Maybe raise an eyebrow. “Thank you, back to Jack”. If they do it again, we wait again. No stress. No shouting. No ‘harsh’. Just wait. They’ll get the idea. If you really need to, add the names to the board at this second point, but don’t get bogged down in it. The important thing is the silence.

When the main task starts, keep it super simple in terms of structure (read this, answer this?) but relatively complicated in terms of challenge. This will mean that your able / focused kids will get on with it and you can go round giving loads of positive praise and picking up any issues. Don’t try anything fancy at the moment. No group work. No ‘latest fad off Twitter’, just straightforward tasks.

To be clear, I’m not claiming to be the world’s best teacher or to be suggesting anything groundbreaking here. I just thought it might help you to understand how experienced staff start their years.

In your situation, I’d try a ‘restart’ next week. Be stood at the door on arrival, “I realised last week’s seating plan didn’t work so I’ve done a new one, please find your seat then start the work on the board/on the sheet/on page 17 of the text book” After those first lessons, be stood there every lesson “good morning, work’s on the board, get yourself started”, “hello Jane, good maths lesson?”

Give it a few weeks of being super consistent and super predictable and you’ll probably feel much more in control Flowers

Internetperson1 · 11/09/2021 12:08

Hey attagirl thank you SO much that’s genuinely the kindest message I could’ve asked for you’ve gone into so much detail to help me and that’s so sweet. I’m going to keep that advice. I appreciate it so much🥺

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Internetperson1 · 11/09/2021 12:09

Hiya Barbara Hunter. I can’t sadly in heavier on girls atm so I’m just going to switch it all up next week hopefully it works

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AttaGirrrrl · 11/09/2021 13:51

It’s not a problem Flowers I remember in my first year someone saying to me “you know, all those things we just know to do as teachers” and I was thinking “but I don’t know, how would I know?”

I’d recommend you ask as many experienced staff as possible if you can watch the start of their lessons, just 5-10 minutes (don’t waste more of your precious free periods!) so that you can see what they are doing, how they get the class going. Honestly, nail that bit and you’ll fly.

Oh, and when you’re redoing your seating plan, don’t automatically stick all the challenging kids at the front. They want attention so often the back is better. Ask them nice easy questions verbally, heap them with praise, let them get the attention they want but on your terms.

TheZeppo · 11/09/2021 21:42

Fantastic advice from @AttaGirrrrl

Internetperson1 · 11/09/2021 23:29

It truly is thezeppo and honestly I think it’s so kind someone who’s a complete stranger would take the time to do that!

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Bookishnerd · 12/09/2021 17:10

What’s your mentor like OP?

Frlrlrubert · 14/09/2021 19:22

I was you three years ago, they are pushing and you feel like you're giving waaay more sanctions than everyone else. This is because they don't push established teachers, because they know what the reaction is, and they want to see what yours is.

It took me until Xmas before they were satisfied (I was inconsistent at first and it took a long time to come back from that) they knew how I would react.

Follow the behaviour policy, but make sure you give them time to choose to deescalate in between each stage, it's tempting (or at least this was one of my worst failures) to get dragged into a battle of wills 'you are still talking, I'm giving you a verbal warning' 'but miss...blah blah..monologue about unfairness....' 'still talking, now you have a written' ''you can't do that, mr x let's us talk....' etc etc until they call you a bitch and you have them removed. Try really hard not to let them drag you in, make it obvious you aren't replying, even send them out for a minute, start the rest in a task and then speak to them really calmly outside.

I've just moved school so I'm doing it all again but it's easier because I know I can get there. In my NQT I felt like everyone else could do it and I couldn't, I could do exactly what they did and get a totally different reaction.

Stay consistent, have clear routines and boundaries, and they will come on board, even if it doesn't seem like it at the moment.

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