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What would you recommend as a teacher with SEN experience?

13 replies

drspouse · 13/05/2021 12:39

And what would you do as a parent?

DS is in Y4 and has been in mainstream (3 years in one school, they decided he had MLD, he does have ADHD and had been refusing to do any work - his first EHCP had Y6 targets that he'd already reached in Y2).
Then he went to a school where they had a revolving door of TAs (5 in a week sometimes) and restrained him and he became (more) aggressive and was PEx in Y3.
He was in the PRU part time in lockdown but didn't cope well when the other children came back, and some of them are very scary to him, and some of them target him.
He likes to work in small groups outside the classroom EVEN in his current specialist setting. He is now coping well in this setup - so you could say it just took him 1 1/2 terms to settle in to small group teaching.
His current ECHP says mainstream with 1:1, and targets are roughly age appropriate (he's doing Y4 Maths, Y3 SPAG and is supposed to have OT for his handwriting. At home he can write 20-30 words on Nightzookeeper but isn't keen on writing at school).
He gets very carsick. Especially on rural roads.
He loves play parks, running around outside, pretend play, maths, his teddies, music, Lego Batman, Hey Duggie, Angry Birds. He's quite young for his age and most of the other boys in his school play Fortnite (he says he'll play it when he's 17). He coped with school trips, performances etc. in his first school, had friends, misses them a lot. He can't cope with crowds. This extends to the classroom at the PRU (8 pupils but we aren't clear if this is due to the group size, the noise, or the specific pupils).

Local SEMH schools (these are ALL independent, we have looked at EVERY one believe me) fall into:
A, B very aggressive or nonverbal children, primary, down long windy rural roads.
C, tacked on KS2 section to secondary. No play area. Down a long windy rural road.
D, primary only, not QUITE as aggressive as A and B, down even longer and even windier country road, boys only.

E: mainstream school has an SEMH resourced provision (this is the only one in county). It's 50 minutes away but it's on a motorway. Smaller older building with less outdoor space though they have two large rooms for the RP. They have said they'll take him.

F: mainstream school is 35 minutes away and has small class sizes, lots of outdoor space, great reputation for SEN, and a sensory base (though it has declined to take on a resourced provision as the LEA weren't offering enough). Also mainly motorway.

DH wants him in a school near home (but the mainstream schools near us have declined to take him and there are no SEMH schools near us).
I want him in a mixed school with ambitious curriculum and the possibility of going on to a secondary with a RP and/or a TA.
HT says he would just be sat outside the classroom in mainstream (but that's what he does now, but with no opportunities for play/fun/outings/clubs).
SENDO at the LEA wants him in SEMH school so she doesn't have us bothering her all the time to actually do something for him like arrange his OT which is on his EHCP.

The secondary SEMH schools are AWFUL, some in special measures, really aggressive children, mainly all boys, no or almost no qualifications achieved and my worry with primary SEMH schools is that he will only have the option to go on to the secondary ones.

There's a good boarding secondary school he could go to that's a couple of hours away but obviously not now and I don't think he'd be ready at 11 for even weekly boarding so he needs somewhere that will a) be good for him now and b) enable him to move on to somewhere he can cope with until at least 13.

He doesn't have ASD and we would have no more options if he had a diagnosis of ASD (plus, the SALT and the psychiatrist said he doesn't show enough features for a diagnosis).

TL;DR he has challenging behaviour though is relatively able, but is coping better now with group teaching in the library area, is traumatised by others' challenging behaviour; he isn't in the classroom in a small setting anyway; and we don't want him being sick in the car every morning of his school days either, and all the SEMH schools are in the middle of nowhere.

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13luckyblackcats · 14/05/2021 22:09

Will school F take him? That sounds like a positive option to me.

drspouse · 14/05/2021 22:22

We are not sure but we hope so. DH worries he will fail again but we saw school C again today which just confirmed it's a hard journey and while it seems well set up for secondary (and he may be less car sick) it doesn't seem play based enough for the child he is now.

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TortolaParadise · 15/05/2021 10:38

School E and School F sound better from your descriptions. I hope everything works out for you all.

13luckyblackcats · 15/05/2021 17:18

I am a parent and a SEN trainee teacher, and I think that finding the right school where your child can thrive is so important. I personally can't imagine teaching at an SEMH school without outdoor space, or any school to be honest. So I would see if F will take him, otherwise E sounds like a good option too. Good luck.

HairyMaclary · 15/05/2021 20:22

I would go for E or F, E for preference.

If he can manage the drive then bring in a properly resourced base sounds best. F is still a mainstream school, why’s are the classes small? If they are does it have the funding to provide the ‘extras’ bigger schools can sometimes offer?

drspouse · 15/05/2021 21:02

The classes are small due to a nearby compulsorily mobile workforce which is the main population that feeds the school. One or two years are full due to increased birth rate in said workforce where half the parents returned home at the same time Wink. DS year is small though. There are 10%+ of the school that transfer due to the good reputation for SEND though.

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drspouse · 15/05/2021 21:03

That should read transfer TO the school.

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Postapocalypticcowgirl · 16/05/2021 08:34

My concern with school F would be lack of funding if classes aren't full. This can impact things like TA provision (not if you have an ECHP, obviously) and it can mean supposedly 1:1 TAs get pulled to do other things.

Small class sizes are great, but if he struggling with a class of 8, (I understand it may be the specific children) then does a class of 20 vs a class of 30 make a difference?

I think school E sounds the best, with F as a second choice.

Fwiw, the secondary I work at has accepted children from specialist primary schools in the past. We are pretty rural and there are limited options at secondary of parents aren't willing to board. Obviously we can't accommodate all children, but we have accepted some. We have a "pupil support unit" on site, where some children work in a small group for some/all lessons if they can't cope with their usual classes (the aim is obviously to transition them to mainstream classes long term).

drspouse · 16/05/2021 09:05

I believe school F does have specific extra funding due to its pupil population but that is a good point. School E does not appear as well looked after and school F is quieter and more spacious (more so than the PRU or the specialist schools) but school E isn't.
We already have specialist teacher time on the EHCP (outreach/advice) but it might be worth asking for more. Unlike his previous school we feel both schools would take it on board!

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languagelover96 · 16/05/2021 09:31

Visit all the schools and see how you feel. If possible take him along on a quiet day to observe lessons etc.

drspouse · 16/05/2021 09:34

We have visited and we are contemplating taking him mainly to see if we are right about the roads!

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Yfck · 19/01/2022 23:57

Hi everyone,

I really don’t know who to ask anymore and where to look for advice or any guidance.

My daughter is 3,5 she doesn’t speak at all or understand much like following instructions ect
We started all processes required when she was 1,5 but except of completed forms from each department nothing els have been done to physically help her. She on a waiting list for speech therapist almost 2y now and just at the beginning of waiting list for autism referral.
However she does have EHCP plan which current mainstream nursery said can’t support.
We now need to choose if we want her in mainstream school for reception with support (which school can’t provide) or special needs education.
I really have no idea what to do as I would prefer her in mainstream as some said she may develop still as only 3,5 but not sure which support she will actually have in mainstream as they just keep saying can’t do it due to not enough staff and resources ect.
Does anyone have any idea or experience regarding above?
Many thanks for your support/guidance!

Phineyj · 28/01/2022 18:36

You need to start your own thread not post on someone else's! However, you need some help. There is an advocacy organisation called SOSSEN that might be able to help. Also look on your local council website for "local offer" and look on the websites of autism charities for local support groups. Basically you need to find parents in a similar situation for ideas.

Might it be better to wait a year for school till DC is 5 and you have more idea of diagnosis?

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