The Forty Third Republic - Lockdown learning continues - when is half term?

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9 March - 28 December. So a chunk of time when schools weren't 'back' fully - just in half classes/15 to a bubble.

I haven't looked at the detail/difference between March - June and Sept - Dec.

Whichever, sounds good really. Quite a relief. Probably suggests that we need to be in smaller bubbles as that 'works' - rotas? It shouldn't be used as a reason to get schools back wholesale, as still transmission vectors.

I'm interested in whether there is a difference between early years and the rest of primary.

Interested in who the social workers were who have died - I mean, what sort of social workers - we've not seen sight nor sign of them, and the only ones I know are working from home and haven't done a home visit since March.

School closed here (primary) as not enough staff able to get in

Have you got a link to the occupational detail @RigaBalsam or @RuleWithAWoodenFoot ?

They shut all schools for 2 days to all pupils at home last night. Including key workers and vulnerable children. Perhaps send U4T that way if they want something to fight about. They won’t get very far. The only complaints I’ve heard so far are about 2 days not being long enough.

Sorry monkey I just heard the breaking news on sky.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/causesofdeath/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19relateddeathsbyoccupationenglandandwales/deathsregisteredbetween9marchand28december2020

Occupation data. Useless for teachers, due to the aforementioned dates when we were largely working from home.

I haven't looked at the detail/difference between March - June and Sept - Dec.

It’s not in the dataset.

Here's the ONS report:

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/causesofdeath/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19relateddeathsbyoccupationenglandandwales/deathsregisteredbetween9marchand28december2020#deaths-involving-covid-19-in-teaching-and-educational-professionals

Yes it doesn't help at all. It only looks at those qualified to teach, from primary to university level. So not TAs, nursery teachers etc.

Would it be possible to extrapolate, by comparing the figures here with the ones from the June report, what happened in the Autumn term?

Hello @thecatfromjapan!! Welcome to the staffroom, have a biscuit!

I’m surprised you didn’t log into MN, see what was going on, log off and then quietly back away. It’s not great at the moment.

And now those bloody ONS statistics are going to be thrown at us. No one will even suggest that we need vaccinations before chucking back in the classroom anymore.

So, have they just taken the data over a period of time when for over half of it, most children weren't even at school?

Great.

Would it be possible to extrapolate, by comparing the figures here with the ones from the June report, what happened in the Autumn term?

Having run the numbers, more deaths occurred after June than before, but that would be expected as the time period is longer. So nothing shocking. The numbers are really small.

What is interesting is that there were only 7961 deaths in the working age population in that period but two thirds were men. As teaching is largely female that would have had a protective effect.

Care home workers are really badly hit. We also know they are badly paid and so fall in a demographic that would be harder hit in general - a double whammy.

Are we going to have to get Rasmussen on it again!!??

It is interesting how they include jobs for healthcare but exclude roles for education...

Two possible positives from it:

1. In the Strengths and Limitations section, they say:

With the data recorded on death certificates on occupation, we are unable to tell whether the deceased was furloughed at the time of death.

Obviously in terms of exposure to risk, most teachers were in a furloughed type situation for about half of the period covered. I think this will be pointed to re other occupations too (although school staff must be by far the largest group of KW that could WFH for part of this period?).

1. It's something we can cite when combatting the 'vaccinate teachers and then bloody well open schools' campaign.

Meanwhile:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk

Top tories call for clear roadmap to open schools. Anne Longford and Robert Halfon on R4 this morning.

Can I just add , it is still more than no teachers, which some MNers would have you believe. Show me the bodies they have been known to cry.

@noblegiraffe

I haven't looked at the detail/difference between March - June and Sept - Dec.

It’s not in the dataset.

What a surprise!!

All that really says is, if you have to go out to work, you've got a higher chance of getting covid and dying from it. If you don't have to go out to work then you're alright.

I'm not sure it's a useful report really. Other than helping direct vaccines once the oldies are done.

I also find it of interest that they have clearly been told to add a paragraph about teaching...no paragraphs about police or prison workers..

The more I think about it the more excluding nursery staff and TAs stinks..

No one will even suggest that we need vaccinations before chucking back in the classroom anymore.

Yep - but the evidence is there for smaller class groups, surely? Or is it not?

To be fair I don't think it's an overall conspiracy rule, they've just looked at death data for the working age population from 9 Mar - 28 Dec. It's a general study.

We need them to do a much more granular one specific to education sector with specific time periods, staff groups and pupil age groups.

Just realised there’s no figures for how many people work in each occupation.

Two thirds of the deaths are men, but what percentage of the workforce are men?

Here's the individual occupations data: education is around row 2311:

www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fhealthandsocialcare%2fcausesofdeath%2fdatasets%2fcoronaviruscovid19relateddeathsbyoccupationenglandandwales%2fcurrent/reftablesfinal.xlsx

They say they have adjusted for numbers in occupations but not for location, deprivation or ethnicity - see Stengths and Limitations Noble

And that it's adjusted for age and sex