Changes to inset days - I can't get my head around having to work and extra day!
cherrypiepie · 17/12/2020 17:15
I'm VERY CONFUSED.
The new rules mean we now have an inset day on 4th January.
I am 0.8 so do four at out of 5 inset 2 In September 2 in July and don't work the one in April.
So I was going of to have of Thursday 1st April now I have to work it an lose out the fact the new inset day is now on my day off- surely this can't be right!
For clarity I don't have to work 4th January. Surely I am owed a day off.
Can anyone help?
Dancingonmyown202021 · 17/12/2020 19:04
This is a common misconception. The only expectation of part time staff is that you work on the days you are expected to. 0.8 does not mean you do 0.8 inset days. If you have an inset day that lands on your working day you work it - if it doesn’t fall on your working day you don’t.
What if you had another job at another school 0.2? You wouldn’t be able to do it so can’t be expected to
flumposie · 17/12/2020 19:20
As above. I only do inset if it is on a day I'm working.
rosesinmygarden · 17/12/2020 19:40
Agreed, as long as you're in a school which uses the burgundy book you cannot be expected to work on your normal day off.
If you do agree to work then they should pay you or give you tine off in lieu.
rosesinmygarden · 17/12/2020 19:42
See link here
cherrypiepie · 17/12/2020 19:44
Thanks for the replies. I don't have to work my day off. I have to work the original inset day on the 1st April. Because this was the one I didn't have to work as Head and I agreed I would only do 4 out of 5 inset.
Previously would have had Monday 4th of January off (normal non working day) and Thursday 1st April.
Now only have Monday 4th Jan off as my normal non working day but all other staff are in doing inset.
cherrypiepie · 17/12/2020 19:50
I also must say that my head is really really fantastic and very fair- I would never ever want to cause her any problems.
I was rather looking forward to an extra long Easter Holiday! It would have been nearly three weeks.
Thanks for replying though i feel a bit better having talked it through.
It's such a weird scenario that no one could have predicted.
Dancingonmyown202021 · 17/12/2020 19:52
I’m confused as to what the issue is. The HT doesn’t need to give you the 1st April off if it falls on a normal working day for you? They seem to be following a strange rule of 4/5 insets because you’re on 0.8 but that isn’t teachers pay and conditions. Talk to them. Only they can give you the answer as this isn’t standard practice.
cherrypiepie · 17/12/2020 21:04
@Dancingonmyown202021 thank o you so much it seems we do things an odd way!
The issue is I have to work an extra day in April because they moved the INSET.
I wanted to see I there was past precedent or an obvious answer which it doesn't seem to be. I will until new year and contact them or just do it!
Shortgal · 17/12/2020 21:58
This can be quite simple. You work 0.8 so you should do 4 inset days and 152 teaching days (0.8 of 190). Get your school calendar and add up the days you will actually work. Highlight them and add them up. If you’re working more that 156 days this year (irrespective of whether they are classed as teaching or inset to be honest) then you’re owed supply. Also part-time staff are entitled to work all inset days and be paid accordingly as you shouldn’t have training withheld even if you’re part-time. My part time staff are paid to come in on inset days if it’s a day they don’t normally work.
CoRhona · 19/12/2020 10:04
I don't work inset days at all but as it all happened so quickly, I don't think it's been taken into account. I had an email saying there would be staff training, can I request not attending due to not working insets?
Or is this one a bit different due to situation?!
Fedup21 · 19/12/2020 19:53
This is a common misconception. The only expectation of part time staff is that you work on the days you are expected to. 0.8 does not mean you do 0.8 inset days. If you have an inset day that lands on your working day you work it - if it doesn’t fall on your working day you don’t
Yep-this is right. You do the inset days if they’re on your normal days. Inset days are still working days. If an inset has moved to April, you do it if it’s on a day you work, if it’s not on a day you work, you don’t do it. Surely if it’s a day in April that you normally work, it doesn’t matter if it’s inset or teaching?
You don’t have to do 4/5 of them just because you work 0.8
cherrypiepie · 19/12/2020 20:02
@CoRhona you are quite right that it happens so quickly. I have got over it now. Thank you so much for your reply.
I think that I will just have to work the additional day and not create a drama. I don't have to work Monday just the 1st of April now.
I can't change the fact that my school and probably MAT pro rata the training days. It doesn't really bother me and I also do parents Eve on my days off and get paid for them. again doesn't bother me.
@Shortgal I will have a count and see!
cherrypiepie · 19/12/2020 20:05
Another way of looking at it for clarification is that I was give a day off in lieu on 1st April. that has now been taken away and given to me on a day I am already off work as it's my non working day!
Thanks for the help!
HollyGenneroMcClane · 31/12/2020 02:22
No that is not at all right!
You do 80% of the inset days that fall ON YOUR WORKING DAYS. Not all on your days. Not all of the total. The percentage that fall on your days.
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