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Is it unreasonable to refuse to do this?

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Ohdoleavemealone · 02/10/2020 17:25

I work in a college teaching functional skills to apprentices.
This week one of our departments were due to start class. The person in charge of this department promised to send us Mondays names of attendees by the Friday before and Thursdays names by the Monday. She cancelled the tuesday class because she had no clue who would be attending.

I got Mondays names on Saturday afternoon. We didn't get Thursdays names at all! I spoke the the apprentice tutors and they didn't know who to send and so I emailed this person who had promised names and she ignored me.
The two days were a total mess. Mondays names were wrong and we had very few turn up on thursday and no names to help us track people down. We didn't even have a number of people to expect so we could make aure we had enough worksheets!
Anyway, I am due to teach the Tuesday class that was cancelled last week, on the Tuesday coming. I still have no names for it. It is an hour away and also mine and my DD (5) birthdays!

I emailed today and asked for the names and stated I wouldn't be making the journey for an early class without them. She didn't reply.
Would it be unreasonable to not go to the campus (not my main campus) when I would have to cut my DD morning celebration short to drive an hour away, to then find I might not have any students because she still hasn't sorted it out?
I have no other reason to visit this campus. It is a 45 minute lesson and then I would be returning to the other campus.
If she sends me the names then I have no problem going. But if not, would you stick to your guns and not go?

For reference, there are 5 of teaching FS across 2 campuses, so not just me who is experiencing this. Between 5 of us we had no names for the 7 classes across 2 sites that took place.

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Hercwasonaroll · 02/10/2020 17:47

Depends on your contract tbh. If you're expected to be available to teach then technically you should be there.

Frustrating and bloody annoying for you though.

Ohdoleavemealone · 02/10/2020 17:51

It says "be flexible" but actually I was sent a new contract recently which I haven't yet signed.
My manager is off for 2 weeks so we have no one to go to for support and it is so unfair.

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SeasonFinale · 03/10/2020 15:12

Don't you teach the same thing whoever is attending anyway? Why does having the names matter? If it is because they need different work then fair enough. But if not then what difference does it make? Can you not just ask them to write them down as they arrive?

Ohdoleavemealone · 03/10/2020 16:00

The first problem is that we have to have a room big enough to seperate classes into "bubbles" within the classroom. No names - no idea on bubbles or how big a room I need.

We have to do work to the right level (I had someone assess at Entry 1 on monday and the other at level 1/2 so one couldn't do the work and shouldn't have been signed up for her course with such low ability) but also, I need a vague idea of how many to expect so I know how much work to set. A class of 4 gets through more work than a class of 15.
I had a situation last year where I was told to expect 10, prepared for 13, and had 19 turn up so didn't even have enough worksheets for them. I had to ask someone to go and photocopy them for me. On Monday the same happened, so for Thursday I prepped for 20 and only 2 turned up so they finished the work early and I was left with a pile of sheets left over.
I will also have the issue, in a few weeks when they have got themselves sorted and realised they have another bunch of students that need it, where the students that arrived on day one will either have to repeat topics or the late comers miss topics because the curriculum area cannot just compile a list of information that should be collected as they sign up for the course!

I am also supposed to set up a register but cannot do that without names and it is a pain in the arse having to email every week to add more names to the register. It just becomes really messy. No other curriculum area is like this. It is just this one that cannot ever get the information together at the start of term.

I had an email at 8.30 last night saying she doesn't have any information and to delay the class until she knows if anyone actually needs it.

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cansu · 09/10/2020 19:44

It depends whether you are being paid for the time or not. If you are paid regardless then yes, you must turn up even if it is a mess.

Ohdoleavemealone · 09/10/2020 20:44

I didn't turn up.
My colleague who was meant to be there for 8am (so leaving home around 6.30/7am, had turned up the previous week to find no students. So I spoke to the "organiser" and said we weren't happy about going until she was sure she needed us. She replied that they hadn't even been enrolled onto the course yet so wouldn't be there! But she would have let us go had we not got in touch!

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JoJoSM2 · 09/10/2020 20:51

Sounds like a mess. However, I’d be somewhere if my work contract said so. If if you know it’s going to be a mess for a couple of weeks, just prepare some more fun activities where the students get to know each other, have a laugh and learn a bit. Then you can start full steam ahead.

Ohdoleavemealone · 09/10/2020 21:06

@JoJoSM2 You haven't met my students! They don't do "fun stuff".

They refuse to engage in most activities and this term there aren't enough of them to do anything with!.
I had two turn up to my thursday class last week and 1 (different student) this week.
Only one of my classes has more than 5 people in it at the moment and they are returning students that attended last year and are quite frankly feral. They need no encouragement to "have fun".

Also, my contract was from before we had this campus that I am now being asked to travel to. The job has changed alot over the last couple of years from being out in the community alot to being on campus alot more.

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