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Question for GCSE/A level teachers

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Appuskidu · 28/06/2020 16:42

I keep seeing things on social media about petitions trying to get how the A level and GSCE grades are being allocated changed. Some are saying that grades are being downgraded by a third?

Is this true? Rubbish? Are they suggesting that everyone’s grades will need to come down from the school’s assessment??

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noblegiraffe · 28/06/2020 17:38

No. Analysis has shown that the teacher assessed grades would put the percentage passing as higher than previous years, so teachers have erred on the generous side nationally.

Whether grades will be up or downgraded will be assessed on a centre by centre basis based on an analysis of their year group’s and school’s previous performance

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 28/06/2020 20:23

They are looking at school previous performances in the subject and the making current cohort fit - flattening the curve. I am so annoyed I have whipped the current crop within an inch of their lives and they would have outperformed the previous two years by a considerable amount.

If there is a chance of an exam in the autumn I will be encouraging mine to take it.

hedgehogger1 · 28/06/2020 21:22

We haven't been optimistic, I think the opposite in fact. Will be gutted if they take them down even more

Poetryinaction · 28/06/2020 21:28

It sounds like they won't automatically take them down. Just the ones which are out of line with previous performance. I've just tried to be evidence based and honest, although SLT put 2 of mine up a grade, to optimistic.

hedgehogger1 · 28/06/2020 22:49

I kept telling my year 13s to revise. One mock they got back the week lockdown started. I'd said to them when they took it "you never know if this Covid thing gets going this might be your actual grade". Did they listen? Like hell did they

SeasonFinale · 29/06/2020 09:17

Yes that petition going round is complete nonsense.

dennishsherwood · 29/06/2020 19:24

The original source is a report from FFT Education Datalab, ffteducationdatalab.org.uk/.../gcse-results-2020.../, who compared draft GCSE grades from 1,900 schools against 2019. This showed that all GCSEs have been over-bid.

But, as FFT point out (1) their comparison was against 2019 only and (2) the comparison was carried out before schools made their submissions, so the grades actually submitted might have been 'tempered' as a result of FFT's analysis.

This was then picked up, and 'embellished', by Will Hazell, formerly of TES, in two articles in the i, inews.co.uk/.../gcse-a-level-exams-2020-millions... and inews.co.uk/.../gcses-a-levels-students-schools..., and then copied by a number of provincial newspapers.

Will Hazell's story was embellished even more in some change.org petitions, such as www.change.org/.../boris-johnson-stop-the-33...

In that petition, the statement "The Government Department responsible for this has decided in their wisdom to reduce those grades by up to 33%" is, I believe, false. No "government department" would dream of saying that. If I'm wrong, and if anyone can identify the source, please let us all know.

Most importantly, Ofqual have not published the 'rules' by which "statistical standardisation" works. So no one knows whether over-bidding grades will result in lots of over-ruling and downgrading, or in Ofqual saying "this year's circumstances are very different, so whatever the schools have submitted is fine".

See also www.hepi.ac.uk/.../have-teachers-been-set-up-to.../

dennishsherwood · 29/06/2020 19:55

...oh... and one other point if I may...

"Statistical standardisation" is water-under-the-bridge. It's happening now; there's nothing anyone can do to change it. And it is possible that some people will be treated unfairly - for example, bright students in otherwise weak schools, and students in schools with small cohorts, for which the statistics are very wobbly.

But because Ofqual and the SQA haven't declared how all this will work, we don't know whether or not these unfairnesses will in fact happen. They might; they might not; we don't know, and we won't know until all the results are announced in August.

Something we do know, though, is that - as currently planned - there will be no appeal (or rather, the only appeals to be allowed are on very narrow, technical, grounds). So, if some candidates are treated unfairly, it's doubly unfair: one kick in the teeth is the unfairness of the awarded grade, followed up by a second kick of not being allowed to appeal.

So the thing we can, and should, kick up a big fuss about - now - is to get the appeals process changed, whilst there is still time, and in principle, the opportunity to change it.

This works nicely in 'both directions'. If, when we all find out in August, everything is seen to be fair, the appeals process will not be used, so it doesn't matter if it is 'more liberal'. But if the awards are not fair, a 'more liberal' appeals process will be of enormous benefit.

So let's get this fixed. For example, lobby MPs, and send evidence to Parliament's Education Select Committee's Inquiry into the Impact of Covid-19 on Education and Children's Services committees.parliament.uk/work/202/the-impact-of-covid19-on-education-and-childrens-services/.

Even better - does Marcus Radford have a brother or sister sitting an exam this year?

dennishsherwood · 30/06/2020 08:18

oops... Marcus Rashford!!! Sorry!

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