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balloonsintrees · 22/05/2020 14:37

Defo name changed for this, but has anyone else had the 'we're not questioning your professionalism or judgement, but could you just reconsider the grades you've awarded' about Year 11?

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FrippEnos · 22/05/2020 14:45

Not yet, but our grades will be scrutinised by those higher up the tree.

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balloonsintrees · 22/05/2020 15:01

This is SLT scrutiny. I have now got to produce 14 separate pieces of supporting evidence and a letter to go out to parents.
I just want to cry.

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Malbecfan · 22/05/2020 16:43

Yes. Ours were submitted early in May so they could be fed through FFT's software. Ours came out high, but not as high as other subjects and we spent ages looking at mocks and coursework (sorry, controlled assessment work). Our subject is 40% terminal exam so the CA is really important. Level 5 at KS2 SATs in Maths & English has little bearing on the outcomes in Music; one of my bugbears is being told that little Johnny should be exceptional because of his KS2 SATS but he is a lazy toe rag who can barely play a note. How is that going to get a grade 9? Our Head is pretty understanding about it now and trusts our judgement.

The other comment we had was the gender split. Last year, our grade 9s were all girls. They are excellent musicians & hard grafters who deserved their grades. The lads were nice but they didn't have the same ability or work ethic. Their grades were lower. This year, our strongest students are boys. Half the boys got 9 in their mock. Only 2 girls did. FFT highlighted this too. We know our kids better than a piece of software. Not looking forward to results day.

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SansaSnark · 22/05/2020 16:55

Do they want you to go up or down?

Our SLT came back to us as our disadvantaged gap was really high, which I do think is fair enough, but it came with pressure to move other students down, which I didn't like.

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Rosie2000 · 22/05/2020 18:11

We have been asked to look at certain grades again- I’ve changed a few but left some. I can evidence them so will wait for the next round.

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FrippEnos · 22/05/2020 18:46

balloonsintrees

I can understand the SLT scrutiny but why letters to parents?

The "results" are supposed to be secure/secret

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bettyboo40 · 22/05/2020 19:20

What pieces of supporting evidence have you been asked to provide? That's crazy. Nobody has analysed mine like that at all, they seem to trust our professional judgment.

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flumposie · 22/05/2020 19:56

I had to move about 5 kids down as compared to last year the results were slightly high. Makes a total mockery of all the lunch time revision sessions and half term session.

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NightScentedStocks · 23/05/2020 15:40

As a parent, I'm concerned that the grades that will be suggested by my dd's teachers will be adjusted down lower than they should be by the exam board due to the attainment of previous years. Won't this disadvantage dc in a comp and advantage dc in grammar/private?
Are they still going to take into account the SAT results of the cohort if these are higher than the year before? I didn't see this mentioned in articles I've seen about the outcome of the latest consultation.
I know they can retake, but by then it'll be ages since they last had teaching in the subject and they'll have a lot on their plate with A levels anyway.
Hope it's ok to post on this board. I never criticise teachers on MN and have never complained to a teacher if it makes a difference GrinDaffodil

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ValancyRedfern · 23/05/2020 20:08

We've been told to make our grades match the grade distribution of last year, which I completely disagree with, especially in a small cohort subject like mine. My this year's cohort were way stronger than last year's, and I put loads of extra intervention in place to help them do even better. 60% of the course had been assessed before lockdown, but none of the marks for it are being submitted/released. I was fully expecting to get my first ever grade 9s this year - as long as the grade 9 students did moderately OK in the written exam (40%) they were home and dry - but I suspect they'll be adjusted down to match last year's. It's gutting. I've submitted what I know are genuine grades with pages and pages of supporting evidence. Fingers crossed.

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NightScentedStocks · 23/05/2020 21:07

It's depressing that if they've worked really hard it'll only count if last year did too

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balloonsintrees · 24/05/2020 08:21

Thank you for replying everyone.

I am going to collect as much evidence as I can to prove how much work these kids have done to self reflect and then improve. My subject is notorious for having rubbish mock grades in the November and excellent real results in the summer. Every year I tell the students it will all fall into place about 3 months before they sit the final exam - I have seen in happen in my grammar school students, private school students and my comprehensive students.

I am just so angry that hard work I have done to keep improving the results in the department is just being ignored, never mind 20 years of teaching and specialising in this subject.

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NCTDN · 24/05/2020 08:28

@NightScentedStocks I am exactly the same. DDs school is relatively new and their year group was the best yet. But if they are told results look inflated compared to previous years I fear that DD won't get the results she deserves.
As a primary school teacher, I have been told to do this with end of year assessments occasionally Hmm

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bettyboo40 · 24/05/2020 08:28

I teach in Wales, where I'm lucky I suppose because my students had already sat one exam (worth 25%) and a NEA (worth 20%). We managed to submit our marks just before schools were shut. SLT are therefore trusting my professional judgement and I suppose the exam board already have quite a bit of evidence.

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PicklePig31 · 24/05/2020 11:59

Oh my goodness me, I could rant about this for a very long time.

Grades all had to go down as they didn’t match the previous trends.

I’m a new HOD this year. Came from a school where I was the HOD that completely changed the results to +0.8 on average from minus. I have an abundance of experience and accurate on predicting results previously. Basically been told to shut up by SLT and give the kids grades that reflect previous years results. Currently sat on -0.2 based on what they’ve said the kids would get. Horrific.

I’m looking for another HOD job as a result of this process. Feel like I’ve completely failed my kids.

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PicklePig31 · 24/05/2020 12:01

Also... @balloonsintrees I was proactive and scanned all of the mocks in (we sat two full papers this year) as soon a lockdown was announced. SLT are having none of it, despite the evidence I have. So frustrating.

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Piggywaspushed · 24/05/2020 12:54

My subject has one year's worth of prior performance at GCSE . Those students had a completely different ability profile! The VA was amazing last year, however, but I was still encouraged to bring some down. It felt like SLT were actually ignoring the VA and. also , looking at the fine grain for individual students which Ofqual will not do. I refused to change mine.

But now we have been told Ofqual will mainly look at schools' historical performance where does that leave new subjects?

And what about staffing upheaval? My DS's school basically dismissed a teacher, after three years of terrible results. he was replaced with an excellent replacements : but those kids 'results' will definitely suffer.

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greathat · 24/05/2020 13:30

Why are you writing to parents? To tell them what?

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Iris2212 · 24/05/2020 19:23

There are a lot of complaints on other sites like Twitter. Something has to be done about this. This is disadvantaging students, not giving them the grades they deserve.

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rainingcats · 24/05/2020 23:31

I am so angry about this - last years results in my subject were just awful For a range of reasons (taught by lots of supply, first year subject taught ...) this year we have really stepped things up a year but because our first predictions were much higher then the actual results last year we have had to lower them down - even when there is clear evidence to support all the extra work we and the students had been putting it in, improved mock grades ect

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GrammarTeacher · 25/05/2020 05:49

It's affecting grammar schools too! We also have year groups that are better than others changes to practice and other things going on. My 'current' year 11 were on course for MUCH better results than last year. My best performer didn't do KS2 SATs so the FFT data predicts him a 5 instead of a 9! I'm hugely depressed about all this but OFQUAL aren't listening. They won't give more information about what they're doing with our grades until August and no appeals will be allowed!

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CheesecakeAddict · 25/05/2020 06:07

Mine have all been dragged down 1 of not 2 grades by our HoD 😔. She made us enter everyone for foundation and has given her top set the 5s. Everyone else's grades have been dropped to reflect that.
I'm also gutted because I mark the mocks quite harshly to get them to that "kick up the backside, revision needs to start happening now" stage. If I'd have known, I'd have been more lenient.

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Piggywaspushed · 25/05/2020 07:02

It's like they don't trust teachers ... who knew!

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Iris2212 · 25/05/2020 08:52

Does anyone else not trust how the consultation process was carried out? They seemed to just ignore some of the concerns (results dates which they could have explained why they are so late) and had some misleading questions.
For example, "emphasising historical data" isn't the same as putting more weight on historical data than centre assessed grades, however they used the results of the question to back up this decision. How can they do this when they are clearly different things?

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Piggywaspushed · 25/05/2020 09:00

I genuinely am curious to know what they do where there is no historical data... not seen an answer to that.

The thing is they have pissed off a lot of the big suck up MATS and free schools, so that will be interesting.

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