Pregnant yrs R, 1 and 6 teachers..

[booklover164]

Anyone concerned after Boris' announcement? I'm currently teaching 6 and concerned that we'll be expected to go in soon. I imagine after the 12 weeks is up but I'm still terrified!

@farfallarocks

Could you please provide a source for that claim? Because I've googled quite a bit and can't find that information anywhere- and I think that's a bold statement to make without a source.

There's going to have to be a lot of clarification. I know my head was pretty keen to get 4 of us in the flu group out of the building ASAP when the announcement was made. So she will want to be able to plan with us in mind.

Re asthma, I feel a bit more at ease returning in the summer than I'm going to be feeling in the winter. My lungs like summer air. Obviously the "flu" group get their flu jabs for a reason in sept/ Oct.

Farfall I'm not expecting to die from getting it; I fear the asthma side and actually longer term fatigue which seems to be a significant feature,and then the impact on mh personally as I have to pace as it is with two other health conditions plus young children. I've had a cfs type experience and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

I am assuming the governments 60 page document released today will cover this shielding/vulnerable thing : it will have to be rapidly conveyed as many workers will be expected back at work form today , once their bosses declare they simply cannot WFH!

I think a lot of teachers are a bit confused about the shielding thing as many were sent home when the original , vaguer flu jab advice came in and by the time shielding categories were created and letters sent out (some of which have only just been sent!) the schools were closed.

General union advice (not just teaching unions) is that vulnerable workers should only be asked to attend a workplace if they can be effectively kept safe : eg by stringent SD measures by an employer, and proper H and S being observed, and/or by having a front facing role changed. More anecdotally , my DH's consultant said 'when people go back to work, you will be expected back'. However, this does not account really for DH being a teacher and also,obviously, DH is not pregnant! so his vulnerability is not finite, as it were.

I am surprised there isn't a thread on this on general MN but people are afraid of being flamed and called shirkers and cowards by the 'well, supermarket workers do it 'brigade.

I actually can't find the specific advice about 12 weeks bar what was said about flu group people in the briefing on the 16th March; 12 weeks was attached to that verbally. Everyone interpreted like that though as I've just read the email again sent my head t. She is extremely on the ball and some of slt are part of ofsted.

Here is a link to the govt document which say fuck all of any use to anyone just below shielding (see Annex B)

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/884171/FINAL_6.6637_CO_HMG_C19_Recovery_FINAL_110520_v2_WEB__1_.pdf

and this bit, also fuck all use. Excuse my language

It remains the case that some people are more clinically vulnerable to COVID-19 than others. These include those aged over 70, those with specific chronic pre-existing conditions and pregnant women. These clinically vulnerable people should continue to take particular care to minimise contact with others outside their households, but do not need to be shielded

I find it highly ironic that the council sent me a letter outlining things they were doing to support me re flu group and then Sainsbury's now say I qualify for home delivery over click and collect but potentially ill have to go back to work 🤷🏻‍♀️

Basically the document says that at the moment, the advice still stands for the non shielding vulnerable for the time being but they're reviewing it as more data about the vulnerable comes in.

This table is useful.

Did you read the bit about schools reopening?

Sounds like the gov are aiming to open up the entire primary school range so they'll have a month in school before summer.

So they're basically giving themselves 2 and a half ish weeks to reopen from 1st June, and they're starting with smaller group sizes for EYFS, YR, Y1 and Y6.

I just can't begin to imagine how feasible that'll be!!

Plus the Annex B says pregnant women should stay at home as much as possible and minimise contact with other households - which would surely mean we won't be going back to schools on 1st June.

What a minefield.

Guidelines:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-implementing-protective-measures-in-education-and-childcare-settings/coronavirus-covid-19-implementing-protective-measures-in-education-and-childcare-settings

Thanks piggy.

A massive issue in this is childcare for preschoolers.

Pregnant women were never told to shield for 12 weeks, unless they had significant heart disease. Schools went above and beyond by sending them home for 12 weeks.

The new guidance for pregnant women:

Clinically vulnerable individuals who are at higher risk of severe illness (for example, people with some pre-existing conditions as set out in the Staying at home and away from others (social distancing) guidance) have been advised to take extra care in observing social distancing and should work from home where possible. Education and childcare settings should endeavour to support this, for example by asking staff to support remote education, carry out lesson planning or other roles which can be done from home. If clinically vulnerable (but not clinically extremely vulnerable) individuals cannot work from home, they should be offered the safest available on-site roles, staying 2 metres away from others wherever possible, although the individual may choose to take on a role that does not allow for this distance if they prefer to do so. If they have to spend time within 2 metres of other people, settings must carefully assess and discuss with them whether this involves an acceptable level of risk.

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