Anyone gone from leadership pay scale to aminscale?

[Cloudyyy]

Hello

Just wondering if anyone had changed jobs from a position on L scale to a main scale with TLR. Same role, different school. How does pay work if it’s been many years since you were on the M scale. When do you bring it up with potential employer?

Many thanks

I don't think I understand the question? How does what work? Are you saying that at one school the role was deemed leadership but at the other it is a teacher plus TLR? Wouldn't you at least go to UPS?

What do you want to "bring up"? Are you already in post?

The exact same role, worked for years on Leadership scale. Looking to change schools but in new school it says it’s paid on the Main scale plus TLR. Never went throughout UPS, originally went from Mainscale straight to Leadership scale. What happens now? If I was to accept this job, at what point would the salary be paid at?

Also not yet in role, still at school paid on Leadership. Invited to interview at new school next week.

STPC used to require that schools honoured a teacher's previous salary but that is no longer the case.

If this school aren't paying this on the leadership scale that's up to them - academies can pretty much do what they like with regard to payscales anyway.

If it's an LA school, the max they would be able to pay you would be top of UPS plus the TLR. Academies are free to pay you whatever it takes to secure you if they want you, in theory, but in practice they probably have a published scale to stick to.

It will really be down to your negotiation but unless you are very low on the leadership scale it's likely to be a significant pay cut.

Are you going to visit? It would be good to understand why they have assessed this not to be a leadership role.

XP. I don't think they'd have interviewed you if they really mean they only want to pay mainscale, so don't assume that.

As I understand it, when you take a new role schools can put you at any level on any pay scale they want provided you are willing to accept that position and they are willing to pay it. I imagine they will make an offer (eg UPS 1 + TLR 2b) and it’s up to you to negotiate.

@ElderAve that’s really helpful, thank you. Would you bring this up at interview or wait for an offer of the job and then bring it up?

I'd certainly ask why it's not a leadership role at interview. I'd probably leave the actual salary negotiations to afterwards. IME the interview panel won't know what the pay scale is anyway!

Also I would work out what point on the scale and what TLR matches your currently salary, then ask for one step higher (either on the TLR or the pay scale) as is the norm when moving jobs (eg in London Fringe U2 plus TLR 2b is roughly the same as L5)

Thank you both very much, I didn’t know who to ask! Very helpful!

There's no such thing as a standard teacher payscale anymore, within the defined top and bottom, schools are free to set the points as they see fit and for the last few years it hasn't been compulsory to apply inflationary rises to all points so it's possible for scale points to vary quite considerably between schools, even in the same LA. Academies aren't tied to the scales at all (although most do use them).

So, don't ask for a point, know how much money you want.

UPS can sometimes be paid better than leadership, and often has better conditions (on L scale you can be told to do lots of duties and guff about directed time not applying). I'd go for a UPS + TLR role over the same pay on leadership , possibly. Or see it as no worse.

I wasn't aware you didn't go through UPS if you were on leadership... had never crossed my mind!

I did this in September. Went from M4 to L5 into that job 6 years ago. New job is UPS3 with TLR. A year or so ago I was offered a similar job, which I didn't take- they offered me the same deal, saying that because I'd been on L scales for more than 4 years, that made me automatically UPS3. I have no idea if that's a standard thing.