Would this role appeal to teachers?

[hiredandsqueak]

Our LA seem to be having a spate of issuing EHCPs naming EOTAS (education other than at school) My dd has been issued such an EHCP although I will be appealing as I want my dd in an independent specialist school instead. Others I know who have EOTAS named seem to be having difficulty recruiting staff/LA having difficulty recruiting dependent who is responsible for recruiting.
Can I ask whether teachers or TAs would actually want to work essentially teaching one student maybe full time hours or quite possibly shared hours?
My daughter's EHCP for example would require ASD specialist teachers, TAs and subject specialist teacher(s) working alongside SALT and OT with whatever equipment is needed in a building that's not a school or my home.
To explain this is part of some weird power trip on the part of our LA because what they are suggesting will cost double the independent specialist school's fees (and besides which it's only supposed to be offered if there isn't a school to meet need) likewise others who have wanted EOTAS at a much lower cost have been offered six figure packages in independent specialist schools instead. It has to be said LA have lost every tribunal where EOTAS is a factor and around 99% (FOI request) of all EHCP tribunals so not sure why they are persisting tbh.

That's a hard one to answer. I wouldn't want to as I'm just a regular subject teacher and I wouldn't have the right training to make a success of that role. Someone working in learning support might think differently though

Yes, I would BUT in similar roles I have seen in alternative provision or 1:1 tutoring for children out of school, the pay is dire. I’m an experienced teacher and senco and do not want to work for £20 or even £9 an hour with no prep time, no holiday pay or pension contributions.

I expect the shit pay they are offering is why experienced good staff don’t want these roles. I’m on £40k where I am; if they’d pay me that and let my current conditions, I probably would do it.

I have never heard of an LA pushing EOTAS. Quite the reverse. The push is generally towards school.

And every eotas ehcp I know of in my LA has a sentence about looking at school options in the future.

There are criteria to be met for EOTAS basically stating that student is unable to access education in a school. If your dd doesn't meet those criteria and can access school, I don't see hiw they can insist on EOTAS

My dd has eotas and we have an amazing 'tutor'. But my dd is not able to do formal curriculum studies, it is all practical, interest led learning. She's 15 and has asd/PDA and extreme anxiety.

Finding suitable staff is really problematic.
I am in FB groups for parents of students in similar circumstances and this is a recurring challenge.

My LA pays specialist rates for suitably qualified teachers - up to £50 per hour Redlocks28

My LA pays specialist rates for suitably qualified teachers-up to £50 per hour Redlocks28

What does that actually look like though? I would want a contract, with a salary and a pension. I wouldn’t want 2/3 hours each day either.

My LEA pays an alternative tutoring provision to provide 1:1 tutoring for children out of education. We have to pay for a minimum of 3 hour blocks and they charge us (as a school) £80 an hour for this. I looked at signing up as a teacher to do this. The agency would have paid me £25 an hour!

I would want a contract, with a salary and a pension. I wouldn’t want 2/3 hours each day either
I would too, Redlocks28 and thats that's the problem. EOTAS tends to be funded by personal budgets and the tutors are self employed. I did employ one tutor for a year on paye and had to include all the add ons in my budget proposal to the LA and do all the hmrc deductions which was a pain.

Most students requiring eotas have very complex needs and it is incredibly difficult to plan provision. It makes it incredibly precarious for the teacher.

Most students requiring eotas have very complex needs and it is incredibly difficult to plan provision. It makes it incredibly precarious for the teacher.

Absolutely. I’m the same in mainstream primary-hiring LSAs for children when an EHC plan is finally agreed. My recent one was agreed mid October for 15 hours-so I needed to find someone good who just happened to not already have a job who was happy to work those hours. It’s so difficult to get good staff who will stay.

I am probably an ideal candidate for the sort of role the OP is talking about, but I would never give up my current position for something that wasn’t similar. That’s probably why the semh provision that’s opening up near to us is entirely staffed with Level 1 LSAs. There’s not a teacher there at all.

I was senco for years and remember all to well the lsa recruitment dilemma. A long time ago one LA tried to combat this by trialling having a bank of LSA's that would be shared amongst a family of schools. But that created as many problems as it solved!

I also know of special schools (besmh) that rely extensively on lsa support and although some of those individuals are exceptional, they are being expected to take on a teaching role without the pay or training!

Our LA are seemingly on some sort of weird power trip or rather using the long delays in getting to SENDIST as a means of saving money. So parents who have gone to Tribunal wanting EOTAS at say a cost of £35k pa to argue against a barrister arguing that a independent school bespoke package can meet needs at a cost of £125k pa (these are actual figures from a parent in our group) Then at Tribunal when the school is questioned they concede that actually they can't meet the needs in the body of the school provision and would be placing ks1 child in a ks3 school but would provide for the child on a one to one basis in the school building.
This Tribunal might have taken a full year to take place with postponements and LA's requests for delays etc and all the while they make no provision at all so saving £35k minimum.

For me I want independent specialist, I took the school I want to Annual Review who confirmed that they have a place and can meet need. LA took a full twelve weeks to issue the EHCP with part F unchanged (so it's written for a school setting with teachers TAs specialist teachers subject teachers SALT and OT and most importantly a peer group) but in I there is no school as LA deem that my daughter cannot attend a school and instead sent advice that I should appeal to SENDIST for the school that I want. This gives the LA six or nine months or even a year for me to get to Tribunal to appeal for the school place and in the meantime they will provide a tutor for five hours a week for dd as a child out of school because I would be appealing EOTAS so saving the LA the £70k fees.
The reason the LA state dd can't attend a school is that she hasn't been in school for a year since her school placement broke down due to anxiety. That the school (didn't want to lose the £49k on her EHCP) and the LA (knew that the new provision would cost more) wouldn't hold an Annual Review to alter this until I used a solicitor to force them nine months late is something they don't acknowledge.
Whilst LA are saving money I'm paying an educational law solicitor £250ph to try and force the LA to abide with the law.
Today we have been discussing whether Judicial Review is an option as the LA have named EOTAS when I have a school ready to go. I'm worrying how much the actual getting to JR is going to cost me even though at JR legal aid would kick in as I paid £1500 to get an AR that the LA are legally obliged to hold.

I have done some short term EOTAS work. The money was bad. Only £20 ph BUT I had to travel from location to location without being paid for travel time. Quite enjoyed it but ridiculously underpaid.

in the meantime they will provide a tutor for five hours a week for dd

I wonder what salary that teacher (is it a qualified teacher?) actually takes home?

That is both outrageous and terrifying hiredandsqueak
Obviously finances play a part in every decision but they should not be the primary factor - and certainly not the only one it as seems to be in your situation!

Not only will this be saving the LA during the process but has the potential to be a self fulfilling propgecy - because another 9 months out of an appropriate provision, means that it is less likely to succeed!!! Failing your dd twice

@fedup21 I don't know what they are paying dd's tutor but I do know that NTAS charge the LA £73ph for dd's tutor. I also know that if a child receives the five hours of tuition from the LA's Out of School team then it costs the LA £115 for the five hours so a huge incentive for the LA to force parents to Tribunal if all they are paying is £115pw for a child with complex needs. After twelve weeks the cost is transferred to the named school although the named school refused to pay for dd's tuition so she received non for nine months until LGO ordered LA to fund hence she gets an enhanced rate tuition.
@GertiMJN my case isn't isolated at all in our LA as a group of 70 parents a significant number are all experiencing the same. Three heard today that their children had got their independent specialist school places through SENDIST but these children have been without school for upwards of 9 months already. One parent was in an almost identical position to me they were arguing EOTAS another was arguing that the child should return to the school that couldn't meet needs fifteen months ago and child has been out of school since. School was called as a witness for LA (they don't get a choice if they are a maintained school) and did a complete turnaround stating they now could although they had no plan as to how and couldn't explain what was now different and couldn't confirm how much the LA had offered to get them to change their mind.
Our LA is completely corrupt and they are playing with children's lives.

NTAS

That’s what the tutor gets-maximum.

Someone somewhere is making a killing and it isn’t the teachers!

www.ntas.org.uk/ No it's definitely not the teachers but the LA is saving a fortune. They paid nothing for dd from December to September and now they are paying £365pw. The funding on dd's EHCP was £49k so incentive to carry this on for as long as possible.

The whole system is dangerously flawed and ultimately not cost effective, but as the pots of money are kept separate there are no incentives to think ahead or work together.

If these children don't get their needs met now they are risk of severe mental health problems. But that would be NHS cost, not LA SEN. And they would be at risk of never working but that would be benefit costs ...etc. etc

Everyone passing the buck until you end up with children and young people in crisis, but with no appropriate provision.

@GertiMJN don't get me started on CAMHS. They will sign dd as unfit for school but cannot advise the LA as to whether the school I have named could meet needs because they don't comment on education. LA then use CAMHS lack of advice as justification that dd cannot attend the school I want.
Dd needs PBS to address her anxiety, the school I have named uses PBS. CAMHS use CBT and after trying repeatedly now concede that dd cannot access CBT and needs PBS. LD CAMHS are trained in PBS but dd can't access LD CAMHS because her IQ is above 70. CAMHS will not recruit someone to offer PBS because LD CAMHS do PBS. Instead dd can have input that they know she can't access and they will continue to sign her as unfit for school.
To go to SENDIST I will need an independent psychiatrist report to go with the independent Ed Psych, SALT and OT reports I have already commissioned to determine my school choice can meet need because LA will not reassess dd and use reports that were made when she was three years old.
Parents don't stand a chance and to get a costs order from Tribunal is rare so have to be prepared to accept that these costs are unlikely to be refunded even though the CoP is clear that LA's must make assessments.

This is SO familiar

My dd can't access anything at CAMHS but therapeutic support is in her ehcp so we have funds to pay for private clinical psychologist (pda specialist).

Education say this should be a health provision so we are going through Continuing Health Care assessment to see if NHS will fund. Have you looked into CHC?

It is outrageous what your LA is doing. I truly feel for you.

Once I have sorted education I'm looking at Continuing Health Care. The school I want has their own psychotherapist and ASD counsellors so she would receive input in school. That's another reason that I'm so frustrated by CAMHS they know what she needs and I have shown them what the school offers is what she needs and yet still they won't support me and comment on education. Suspect it's an agreement between LA and CCG o as to limit demand if I'm honest.

Good luck hiredandsqueak. Its awful that it all such a battle