Labour plans to recruit 20,000 new teachers

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I’m all for not voting Tory and I’m all for new teachers, but how are they intending to do this?

People don’t stay in teaching because of the workload and the behaviour-how is that going to be addressed by any political party?

I would love to increase my working days but my school can’t afford me on UPS3 when they could get two NQTs instead. That is another consideration-whilst there is no money in school coffers, they don’t have any scope to value and pay experienced teachers.

The BBC news article says

Labour said the recruitment would be funded from an extra £25bn in schools spending over the next three years. The party has also committed to ensuring all teachers have formal teaching qualifications within five years.

Shouldn’t all teachers have formal qualifications BEFORE they start!?

Perhaps they mean in the same way as Tories do 50,000 more nurses which included 18,000 increase of retention?

No idea how schools can afford it but are they not also pledging to increase school funding?

Shouldn’t all teachers have formal qualifications BEFORE they start!?

Not in academies and private schools.

It's going to take years to train and recruit enough teachers, and to make education a sector that people want to stay in for life, as it used to be. It's a long term target, no one is suggesting there's a quick fix. To me the key change is of course funding, but also listening to teachers. An education system built around the knowledge and expertise of those doing the job, and not one dreamt up by Michael Gove.

Their education plans are here, under National Education Service.

labour.org.uk/manifesto/rebuild-our-public-services/

Shouldn’t all teachers have formal qualifications BEFORE they start!?

Do they have to? No. Should they? Absolutely.

Stop dragging thousands of new inexperienced and under qualified teachers into the mix and start looking after the ones you've already got. I know teachers who hang on until 6 years so as not to be a "statistic" but start leaving after that point.

Their education plans are here, under National Education Service.

I’ve just had a look. Removing SATs in Ks1/2, removing Ofsted (yay) and replacing it with an inspection body to drive up standards (sounds like Ofsted?), smaller class sizes, central supply agency-I like that.

But how is it helping the workload of day to day teachers? That’s the problem in my eyes.

I'm a lifelong Labour voter, but really:

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Will never happen without increased pay and decrease admin.

Oh, and you can recruit out the wazoo, but how to retain....

Well the SNP are going to start charging full business rates on private schools so the teachers from those schools that close will be available.

Given that Scotland under the SNP has higher rates of tax and potentially a £500 charge for parking at work there should be a good few Scottish teachers available.

Oh gosh I wanted to vote Labour but this is just bonkers.

Class sizes of 30 or 32 make so little difference.

Why not fund schools better so they can keep the staff they have? More experienced staff is better for learning. Filling schools with NQTs is killing education.

Filling schools with NQTs is killing education

A very important point that I thought deserved to be repeated!

What about trying to retain the ones they already have??

They do say that they will fund more non-contact time for teachers. How much more isn’t specified.

But taking teachers out of the classroom will increase the number of teachers we are short!

The party has also committed to ensuring all teachers have formal teaching qualifications within five years.

I can’t see this in their manifesto? The manifesto says that every class will have a qualified teacher. So where will these unqualified ones be teaching for the first 5 years?

They do say that they will fund more non-contact time for teachers. How much more isn’t specified.

I think this is missing the point. Things were much much better in my view, BEFORE PPA came in. The expectations were much more realistic of which bits of paperwork had to be completed. When PPA came in, SMT just doubled the paperwork and said, ‘you can do it in your PPA!’

Scrap PPA, scrap all the bloody shite that makes no difference to the children and let me just teach! The days when planning all subjects could be done after school one night, marking was a tick or a cross and assessment was filling in a mark book.

I think I just want to go back and teach in the 1970s.

Maybe have a look at this :

schoolcuts.org.uk/

I am not remotely convinced by the Labour can't afford this Tory rhetoric.

Green is actually by far and away the best for education.

I'd vote Green if they had a chance. I'm in a proper marginal seal (in one election about 150 votes in it) so have to go for a main party.

I wish I was in a marginal. Sadly. Dorries.

I vote on more than just education to be fair.

www.tes.com/news/analysis-recruiting-25k-new-teachers-possible

The 25k extra teachers are apparently already working in our schools as unqualified teachers. If we train them all over the next 5 years then hey presto, 25k extra teachers even though exactly the same number of adults are in front of the kids, teaching

They do plan to recruit more teachers on top of this (which is good because rising pupil numbers mean we need it), and they think that pay rises, increases in non-contact time and scrapping Ofsted will make this feasible.

They seem to be assuming in their figures that no current teacher actually quits.

Jeremy intends on shaking his imaginary money tree. The lengths some people will go to to be PM 🙄

Everyone will be given a free pony soon....

All parties are in agreement about

1. paying teachers more (30k for NQTs plus rises for everyone else
2. more funding for schools
3. recruiting more teachers

Because it has to be done, there’s no other option.

I want to know who's going to pay the wages for the new teachers? My school is in a cash strapped MAT and staff are paid through that. You can train all you want but if there's no jobs at the end because schools can't afford to pay them what's the point!

On a political show earlier a Labour mp was saying more teachers were needed partly for student mental health. In that case would be better to have less new teachers say 15000 and train more counsellors and put money into cahms etc instead

Also wondering how retention is going to be made better

Labour is increasing education funding so these extra teachers aren't coming out of the same costs.

Scrap PPA, scrap all the bloody shite that makes no difference to the children and let me just teach! The days when planning all subjects could be done after school one night, marking was a tick or a cross and assessment was filling in a mark book.

This ^
What anybody who has the slightest idea about education - or, quite frankly anyone just looking at the statistics - can tell you is they need to look at why teachers they've attracted in to the profession then don't want to stay. Bribes to get people in are frankly useless if teachers are flooding out at the other end.

Bit like those questions you used to get in maths tests "If a bath is filling up at Xlitres a minute, but leaking out the plughole at Y litres per minute, how long does it take to fill the bath?" I want to scream "How about plugging the leak first ???"