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English Language GCSE marking ‘a shitshow’

64 replies

noblegiraffe · 26/06/2019 23:51

It not being my subject I’m not quite sure what’s going on, but this twitter thread is disturbing reading:

twitter.com/barnacle_bob1/status/1143968940483330048?s=21

Comments seem to suggest it’s AQA. Best get ready to request marking reviews...

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Rosieposy4 · 01/07/2019 00:07

I didn’t see the original twitter thread but my hod was talking about this on Friday.
The poster was certainly in massive breach of their contract if they were marking for AQA by posting on social media, the standardisation meetings are not so much for discussion as for finding out exactly what x marks looks like, they failed in their duty as a TL if they didn’t probe the mark scheme sufficiently to be sure what was required. There is always the option to flag up supposedly dodgy seeds on emarker so that is a non issue as well.

noblegiraffe · 01/07/2019 00:40

I see the whistleblower talked to the TES about this

www.tes.com/news/exam-board-accused-betraying-gcse-english-pupils

It says that they reported their concerns to their manager but hadn’t heard anything back.

AQA are apparently ‘very keen’ to talk to them. I bet they are.

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Esker · 01/07/2019 14:34

Obviously a depressing discussion, but I'm glad to find this thread as it reassured me that I am not going mad! I'm marking English A level lit scripts at the moment, and whilst I haven't encountered inconsistencies as alarming as those described with the GCSEs, it is certainly a subjective process, in spite of the exam board's constant insistence that the mark scheme is infallibly clear 🙄
Certainly seen (and failed) seeds that I think were marked too generously by the senior examiners.

Phineyj · 02/07/2019 18:06

I also have been experiencing this - same board, different subject A level. The standardisation script that has been chosen as an example of nearly full marks has some ridiculous analysis in. It looks ok on the surface bit when you actually look at the points they made... er, no. It was long though and contained a lot of different material. So sadly I don't think the poster who was advised to write more is that far off...

LooseAtTheSeams · 07/07/2019 12:43

I've refused to Mark GCSE English language for AQA this year. I'm pretty sure they are desperate for markers because they kept leaving me messages but it's too stressful. But I'm a bit bemused by the problems with standardisation for this year compared to last year - I wonder what happened that's different?
The AQA language papers are particularly prone to this kind of problem, though - the format is awful and really works against those who aren't naturally heading for 8/9 grades. There's almost no straightforward comprehension and a massive amount of inference.

keiratwiceknightly · 22/08/2019 17:04

So now the results are in, the English Language does seem (anecdotally) to show some significant discrepancies. Parents on the GCSE thread here are saying so, my own daughter dropped 2 grades from 8 to 6, there's some rumblings on Twitter. Looks like the secret examiner had a point.

Piggywaspushed · 22/08/2019 17:18

At my place some students got 3s who really were better than that and way more 1s than normal and only a couple of 8s in a mammoth year group.There were students with gaps of 3 grades between Lang and Lit GCSEs. However, our Lang results were better than our lit ones overall. Lit was shit!

BloodyhellMartha · 22/08/2019 22:22

History teacher here. A levels were a complete shambles - I had D grade kids getting better marks for essays than A grade kids. I can't do any kind of meaningful exam analysis because the marks are all over the place. Examiners' report was considerably delayed - and then was bland and non committal when it finally came out, but overall marks were extremely low. I'm gutted for kids I know should have got an A grade who came out on a C and have lost their uni place. It's appalling. And yes, no point going for a re-mark. They will now only change it is the mark is in completely the wrong level...and I don't believe any will be changed. They are too busy covering their backs, but frankly there is such a shortage of exam markers they will take anyone.

Tatapie · 22/08/2019 22:36

Do any of you professionals have any advice re "remarks" please ? For AQA English Lang in my DS case. Mid grade 6 but mock result / predicted was a 7. Is it a full re-Mark or just an admin check of the initial mark?

Piggywaspushed · 22/08/2019 22:47

When you say mid grade 6, how many marks are needed for a 7?

No point in the clerical check... v unlikely that there is an issue with adding up in Lang GCSE.

Tatapie · 23/08/2019 01:07

5 marks

Piggywaspushed · 23/08/2019 07:21

Assuming it's more than about 8 marks down to the next boundary, you could definitely try a remark of one of the papers. If the mark then goes up but not by quite enough, you can then try the other paper. Do you have the paper by paper breakdown?

Tatapie · 23/08/2019 07:29

Thanks piggy but it's only 6 down to a 5! So he got 47/64 & 64/96.

Piggywaspushed · 23/08/2019 09:50

I wouldn't risk it then! Nowt wrong with a grade 6!

Piggywaspushed · 23/08/2019 09:51

That's Lit marks, not lang?

Piggywaspushed · 23/08/2019 09:54

Right. Confused!

If you have all this right 47+64 is 111.

In AQA Lit, that's two marks off a 7 and a good 18 marks or so down to a 5 ( 83)

???

Tatapie · 23/08/2019 10:02

That's because I'm an idiot!!!
It's Edexcel Lang!!
No I agree a 6 is good but just jars as he was getting 7/8 in mocks and all his other grades are 8/9.

Piggywaspushed · 23/08/2019 10:07

Aha!
I can see it would annoy a bit but onwards and upwards. I certainly would not risk a remark so close to a 5.

Tatapie · 23/08/2019 10:16

Appreciate your time and advice, thanks. Yes probably just need to move on! It won't hurt uni applications?

Piggywaspushed · 23/08/2019 10:17

Not at all! Only perhaps if Oxbridge or medicine.

Musmerian · 23/08/2019 10:24

The whole thing is dreadful. We switched to OCR gcse when the specs changed and I marked the Lang. Disagreed strongly with the marks given at standardisation but was told to get on with it. Marks for English dipped hugely in our school. After two years we reverted to IGCSEs - this year A*/A up by 25%. Similar cohort of students and same teachers.

Piggywaspushed · 23/08/2019 10:27

Is that a private school?

woman19 · 23/08/2019 23:35

Watching this thread with interest. Interesting about the A level History BloodyHell. GCSE Eng Lang has been peculiar in many ways since the new spec: stupendous results the first year Hmm and now this.......They are desperate for examiners, and I wonder who exactly has been doing the marking, and presume the mark schemes have been as random as the sample ones provided by the exam boards.

The standardisation scripts which are supposed to set the benchmark (e.g. this is what a 4 mark answer looks like) are not good
Sounds familiar.

woman19 · 23/08/2019 23:43

www.tes.com/news/exam-board-accused-betraying-gcse-english-pupils

Sorry, has this article been posted?
The problem is the question 5: essay question 40 marker.
Not surprised.

SabineSchmetterling · 24/08/2019 07:56

Martha and I clearly teach the same option for A Level history. Grin
The average mark on that paper was 12 percentage points lower than the other paper that we did this year. The examiners report didn’t come out until the following week and was not terribly illuminating and I’m seeing other teachers online saying that they’ve had reviews of marking on some papers go up by as much as 15 marks.