Schools built with no staff toilets

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I’ve heard of academies deciding to do away with staffrooms, but forcing teachers to share toilets with the kids? Er, what?!

www.tes.com/news/lack-staff-only-school-toilets-branded-insanity

!!!

the race to the bottom to treat staff as badly as possible applies to all sectors I guess.

and what happened to privacy?!

I'd like to know how the issue of having to hide / carry / secrete sanpro is unique to this situation and therefore an topic of concern. I work in a large open-plan office, we don't have the option of stashing sanpro in the toilets or it would go walkabouts - colleagues are no more trustworthy than school children. Our solution is to take our handbags into the toilets, sanpro in handbag. Is that not an option?

I work in a large open-plan office, we don't have the option of stashing sanpro in the toilets or it would go walkabouts - colleagues are no more trustworthy than school children. Our solution is to take our handbags into the toilets, sanpro in handbag. Is that not an option?

Not at our school. Fine for staff, not for students, who have to leave bags in lockers and only carry their books and equipment for two lessons at a time.

Also, is your office staffed by several 100 teenagers?

@NancyJoan is that not an issue more specific to the bags in lockers arrangement rather than the toilets?

Ours take their bags and blazers everywhere. Sanpro carried around that way. Spare sanpro in pastoral support office if needed and hidden in blazer/bag.

Sauv-yep I am having trouble finding this also I’m pretty darn sure though that I’ve seen this more than a handful of times on other threads. However on the O.P’s point, the regs seem pretty clear that toilets must be provided for the sole use of pupils.

The School Premises (England) Regulations 2012
4.—(1) Subject to paragraph (3), suitable toilet and washing facilities must be provided for the sole use of pupils.
(2) Separate toilet facilities for boys and girls aged 8 years or over must be provided except where the toilet facility is provided in a room that can be secured from the inside and that is intended for use by one pupil at a time.
(3) Where separate facilities are provided under paragraph (1) for pupils who are disabled, they may also be used by other pupils, teachers and others employed at the school, and visitors, whether or not they are disabled.
(4) Suitable changing accommodation and showers must be provided for pupils aged 11 years or over at the start of the school year who receive physical education
www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2012/1943/regulation/4/made

@ASauvignonADay
I think this is it, this states “washing facilities” must be separate. So If the sinks in your school’s mixed sex toilet provision are not separated I believe by being contained within a room then they do not meet regs. Similarly if your school only provides toilets that are for both adults and children even though they are disabled use too they are breaking regs by not providing toilets for “sole use” of pupils also.
13.It is permissible for toilet and boarding accommodation facilities to be separate as they are captured under existing statutory exceptions. Separate toilet and washing facilities must be provided for boys and girls aged 8 years and over pursuant to Regulation 4 of the School Premises (England) Regulations 2012, which falls within the exemption provided for in Schedule 22 of the Equality Act 2010. With regards to boarding accommodation, Schedule 23 of the Equality Act 2010 allows for separation by sex providing the same standard of accommodation is provided for both boys and girls.

Paragraph 13
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/719398/Gender-separation-guidance.pdf?fbclid=IwAR39IL5UlLxmNI2v1s9l8FaljK4QFSQy9AdzBBqozW4UrHycESrfSWtd5rc

Fine for staff, not for students, who have to leave bags in lockers

But the thread topic is staff access to toilets, not student access

Also, is your office staffed by several 100 teenagers?

You'd think so. 200+ people does mean that you come across all ages and all attitudes, from just-out-of-school immaturity to over-40-but-still-immature. I've known teenagers with more sense than some of my co-workers.

We have individual rooms with full length doors, sinks inside, opening onto corridor. Don't find the set up vile in the least. We share with students. Tiny school.

There were no staff toilets in the secondary I worked at. I hated it and would only go to the toilet in first break if possible after the kids had been cleared off the floor i was on. I always felt it was a safeguarding disaster waiting to happen

Do they not stink, Fallen?

Walking past the boys toilets at my school feels like an environmental hazard.

My secondary school was like this 40 years ago, no staff toilets at all.

Not at all. And most of our students are boys. That's one of the reasons I like our set up. It's rare that they don't treat the facilities with respect. And they are not always the most respectful kids!

Ours has this.

Mostly, teachers use the disabled bog or go in PPAs.

In my college the staff toilets are in another block, but there are student ones in our block. I only use the student ones first thing or when I’m confident no students will be in there - it’s a small space and it’s very awkward for everyone when students are in there. And that’s with well-behaved, relatively mature students who don’t mess the place up or make sneery comments.

Ours aren't well behaved but tbh it isn't an issue re the bogs.

When I was at school, the toilets were puke inducing. Period blood and shit were smeared on the WALLS, no toilet paper or soap, no locks on the doors, graffiti, some of it really nasty, no toilet seats. Really beyond awful. They had a decent set they kept locked and used on open days

I'm just glad ours aren't like that, although they keep running out of soap which does piss me off.