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Long term supply expectations,.pay and conditions

15 replies

Arewehumanorbones · 24/03/2019 10:15

I have previously done day to day supply. The pay is not great, but as you are not expected to plan or mark, that's fine.
But I'm now considering long term supply. From what I can tell from initial queries you are still paid per day (not scale) and not much more than daily supply, but still expected to mark, plan, parents evenings, reports, parent phone calls, break duties etc, all the rest of it!
Am I right? If that's correct how is it worth it to be long term supply?!

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CanILeavenowplease · 24/03/2019 11:04

AWR kicks in after 12 weeks and you should be paid to scale although be wary in that some schools are wise to this and say they won’t pay above M3, for example. The daily rate will then reflect a full time salary at scale, even without getting paid for holidays although any days off sick will eat into that.

From my perspective, the benefit is exam classes are either re-jigged internally so supply don’t do them or if you teach them, you are not worried about results long term. You just get to teach, teach, teach! Some supply refuse parents evenings without payment or simply don’t do them. I always have because I consider it part of the job but I am a shortage subject teacher and have been able to name my own terms with a couple of agencies who know not to put me forward if the school won’t meet them.

HexagonalBattenburg · 24/03/2019 12:08

Cover yourself carefully - make sure you don't get screwed out of things like PPA if you're taking on the planning burden that goes with long-term and keep an eye on the AWR 12 week countdown... I've known a few people who've mysteriously no longer been needed at the end of week number 11. You can also get agencies who just don't like you getting too cosy with a particular school and will lie to schools that you're no longer available to pull the rug out from under you as well - lots of shady shenanigans can go on so just keep your eyes open and your wits about you.

Arewehumanorbones · 24/03/2019 16:04

Hmm thanks for all that. So prior to doing supply I was UPS with a TLR - I doubt I'll gets UPS as supply! I'm also a shortage STEM subject.
I wonder if I will be better off going to one of my previous schools direct - several asked me to stay on as permanent bit currently due to small children I don't want permanent just part time supply!

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lorisparkle · 24/03/2019 16:21

When I did supply I was paid per hour so when I was expected to do anything over and above 9-3 I was paid for it. I was even given a couple of extra days pay as they wanted me to help write the scheme of work. I was lucky as I was paid by the school who I had a good relationship with so was able to negotiate. On one occasion I agreed to teach 4 days a week for a term but only did day to day planning (the medium term planning was already done) and no reports etc

likeafishneedsabike · 25/03/2019 22:57

I am coming to the end of a longer term supply contract ( just a few weeks, but different to day to day supply). I have 10% PPA for planning, although department planning is quite detailed. I am marking in the sense of checking that work is done (or not) but not marking in the sense of providing feedback. No parents evenings or contact home.
So basically I plan from provided materials, teach, then whip through books with stickers and stamps.
Money is a bit crap but I'm only doing part of the job!

Girasole02 · 26/03/2019 12:20

I went back to day to day in January after 4 back to back long terms, all of which had me doing the full Monty job of a teacher ie data, reports, parents evenings, interventions etc etc for very little more pay than day to day. When I divided the pay by the hours I worked, it turned out to be less than minimum wage. Never again. Much happier now. Just go in, teach what has been left and go home. Never short of work and have had to turn work away.

Arewehumanorbones · 26/03/2019 14:07

Girasole thats my thinking currently. Unless I get paid something like £150 per day I am much better off just doing day to day supply with the advantage that my weekends and evenings are my own.
My only issue now is that with the tax free childcare you have to earn a minimum on average per week. With holidays, and part time and not getting work, Especially over the summer holidays, I probably won't earn enough to meet the threshold. Does anyone know what happens then?

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likeafishneedsabike · 26/03/2019 18:46

I don't make enough to qualify for tax free childcare.

Arewehumanorbones · 26/03/2019 19:17

Do you only work one day a week then? From what I gather you only need to earn £130 on average per week?

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likeafishneedsabike · 26/03/2019 20:28

I need to look into that. My understanding was that you could only access tax free childcare if you earned over the tax free allowance of £11, 500.

likeafishneedsabike · 26/03/2019 20:29

I think I'm talking about a salary sacrifice scheme rather than tax free childcare.

Holidayshopping · 26/03/2019 20:33

We have supply teachers at our school working as part of a jobshare so they are expected to plan, mark, assess, do displays and do parents evening. They get no additional money per day than doing just day today work-I don’t know why they put up with it to be honest!

I suppose they know where they’re going in advance and don’t have the stress of early morning phone calls but still...!

Arewehumanorbones · 26/03/2019 21:47

Holidayshoppi g well exactly! That's sort of what is be looking at, which seems a bit bonkers to me, which is why I thought I must be missing something! The agencies I've enquired at just seem to over £10 per day maximum above day rate. And for all the planning / tutor group stuff / parents evenings it just is not worth it!

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Arewehumanorbones · 26/03/2019 21:48

Loads of typos there but hopefully you get the gist. Currently trying to breastfeed the youngest down so typing one handed and awkwardly!

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123yipee · 27/03/2019 21:59

You can negotiate your pay with supply agencies. I am paid to scale and think I could have negotiated higher but I am in a shortage subject. I also do the job as if I were a permanent member of staff; all planning, marking, parents evenings.

The more you work for an agency the more you will be able to demand as they will get to know you as reliable.

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