Will my 2:2 hinder my job prospects?

[RedTarn]

I’m halfway through my pgce in secondary and there’s a few jobs popping up.
Other trainees on my scitt are all starting to apply (many with success) - There are 5 different subject areas.

There’s one job in particular which is suitable for me and 5 others on the course. But I don’t feel I’ll stand a chance as one of the trainees has a phd in part of the subject, another has a 1st in a realted masters, and the others all either have a 1st or 2:1 in their undergrad degree.

I don’t stand a chance do I?!

You do unless it’s at a private school. IMO far more importance is placed on what they see in the lesson and your interview.

Thanks haggis That’s reassured me. I think I’m suffering massively from imposter syndrome. My new placement is in a grammar school and I feel so out of my depths academic wise.

My lessons in my last last placement were above expected on the matrix though. I feel like I am a hood teacher but it does take me longer to plan as I often have to relearn the content

God no. I have a 2:2 and nobody has ever commented on it in an interview. My teaching ability and career history has been more than enough (my undergraduate degree was about ten thousand years ago though).

Thanks vashta my degree was 10yrs ago and I’ve had 2 children since then. I feel like it’s all gone out the window!

I’ve always had to work hard to get an average grade, through school,
college and Uni.

I’m so reluctant to apply for this job as I just feel like there’s no point!

God no!! I have a 2:2 and every job I ever applied for I got!! Have a solid lesson planned and try to relax as much as possible. (Easier said than done I know) Best of luck!!

Also I have MAJOR imposter syndrome still 10 years later 🤷‍♀️😂😂

Always apply. If you don't then you definitely won't get an interview, eh?

@RedTarn I am in the exact same position, I just returned after being at home with my two DC for 5 years. I started supply work in October and I have already secured a job for next September so I must be doing something right!! Honestly, just go for it!! 👍👍

I had a 2:2 been teaching 20 years! Also got accepted on a distance learning masters course which I passed with merit. I was told I wouldn't get on a masters without a first but found that isn't always true!

Teaching ability and academic ability feel like different skill sets completely.

Thank you so much eveyone! I think the mixture of the christmas break... I haven’t taught anything since 20th Dec!

And now being in a school with some very intelligent teachers (who don’t really have to have much teaching ability I’ve observed, as the children just lap up information!), and very intelligent children is making me doubt my abilities

It’s so different in non grammar schools. Part of the reason my students like me is because I freely tell them I had to work really hard to get my grades and that I didn’t ‘get it’ straight away. I tell them that’s partly what made me become a teacher, to help students not to have similar crap teaching to that I had. I also ask them to ‘teach’ me things like language, current games, apps, scooter skills (yes, I’m secondary!) and they love that, too.

I also totally empathise with my students who are scared to try in case they fail. It’s so much easier to not try and fail because it’s not really their fault then.

haggis They are the students I empathise with! The average ones! I also had a shitty start so totally empathise with the PP kids too. I want to work in an average comp. The grammar school is so over whelming!

I can imagine. I love my proper comp! I’m not so good with middle sets, but specialise in bottom sets and top sets!

Teaching is one of the only graduate professions where your degree classification and post graduate qualifications (other than your teaching one) are not really looked at.

My first might look nice on a certificate as does my former colleague's PHD, some parents were impressed when they saw Dr others wondered what she was doing "only teaching ". Classroom presence, behaviour management, pace and challenge are not linked to your own academic journey. Good luck

It's not a problem IMO.
I've got a 2:2 and am head of a core subject department so it has never stopped me. When I shortlist applicants I don't worry about degree class too much. If subject knowledge is clear from lesson, interview and reference, I am happy. Also I want to know they can engage students and help them to learn. That's the main thing after all.
Good luck! X

Some of the SLT I know locally would be put off by a phd as it would make them feel inadequate! I really wouldn’t worry.

It won't have any sort of impact but I do get a bit irritated by the inference that clever teachers is a bad thing!

I got a 2.2 and have got every job I've been for, they even let me pick other people for jobs now and I don't remember ever looking at degree class.
I do look at subject of degree (if you've got QTS you've obviously got enough to get onto the course) and I'd be much more likely to look at your A level choices for example to see if there was an obvious second subject for you if we ever needed it.

I work in normality though not grammar/public so can't speak for those sectors.

Nope. 2:2 here but distinction in PGCE and had a lot of successes in my career.

One essay I did on my pgce looked at ofsted research that those who struggled with maths themselves actually made better maths teachers. You understand why it's hard for someone to understand so think more carefully about how it needs to be taught.

I got a 2:2
Never hindered me at all in my job/s

Which to be fair is absolute utter tosh Neuro

When was that research published?