Kids who display low level disruption - what causes It?

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Daughter ( year 7) is livid about the fact her learning is continually disrupted by people. I am quite annoyed by the fact they are stopping her from learning but wonder if there are factors that may cause thus instead of just kids being selfish and rude. DD is in set 2/3 so not the brightest nor is she the stupidest though and she also has mild dyslexia so finds school hard without the disruption sometimes. Reposting here for traffic

Some can’t help it (SEN, shitty home lives). Others are indulged and spoiled.

Dyslexic children can have super hearing and be easily distracted

It’s just as important for her to manage how she responds to the distraction as it is for others to behave

Agree with fly, there’s a million reasons.

My ds is one of a group of low level disrupters, drives me batshit, he is very immature and very unhappy at school.

Low level disruption is caused by those who can't do the work and those who don't want to do the work.
Those who dont want to do it need a lot of pastoral support to work through their issues (even if it's just through poor parenting and they've never been made to do something they don't want to before) but there's no money.
Those who can't do it need extra support but there's no money.
Beyond the realm of one teacher being able to fix definitely.

Crossers , from either your or his point of view , hey does he do it and does he realise how selfish he’s being ect

So it’s silly noises I’m told. Not shouting out just kind of growling. He is disengaged and so the teacher (poor bugger) has to push him along.
We have had numerous conversations, meetings with school, sanctions, detentions, on report but he persists. There is a group of them.
Yes, I agree, completely and utterly selfish.
As I say it drives me bat shit.
He has a lovely home life, is definitely not indulged, we can’t afford it, dh and I both engage fully with school, ds adores his dad and listens to him but this is a battle.

I’m convinced he has a sen because of his history and the absolute nightmare kid he has been since being little.

My family have a widespread history of multiple sen such as ADHD , add , asd , odd ect so I know wht some symptoms are ect which is why I’m asking the question of can there be underlying problems . What’s he like?

I'm primary not secondary but all my low level disrupters have a reason for it e.g. SEND, lack of parental support/engagement, finding the work tricky or too easy. I've never had a single child who 'mucks about' just for the hell of it.

It’s just too much to go into but he has been a constant challenge, completely different to his peers and totally different to put much younger child.
I’m glad we had our younger child because he has shown us what joy parenting can be. That’s how bad our older kid is.
We “manage” his behaviour but it’s a struggle.

Honestly it may be worth looking at symptoms such as ADHD and asd to be honest .

There is a lot of research on activity and learning. Some people need to fidget to learn. Schools and some people are designed for sitting still and others are not. There was a study in the US. I believe it was Texas. The school put an exercise bike in the classroom. When someone wanted to fidget they could go on the bike. They found there was improvement in the academic classes and less detention.

There is also the issue regarding sounds and movement with ASD. The more a teacher tells a child to stop the less they learn. They think about stopping and getting in trouble. When they were allowed to fidget, their marks went up and they had less detention.

Just putting it another way. Now there could be kids that are not following the class or is it the class is not moving with the children.

School are adamant that he has undergone assessment and he has nothing.
And anyway he is 15 and about to leave school so it’s too late from an education perspective.

That’s so interesting jwpetal because as a wee 4 year old I was told that he couldn’t sit still on the carpet at carpet time, when I suggested that they give him some blue tack to play with they were horrified.. he lacked the maturity to sit still I was told (he was 4 years and one month old) .. lacking maturity!

Op while I completely understand your frustration and annoyance, as a parent of one of these kids, it’s not as easy as just calling them selfish and that being the magic switch to stop the behaviour.. of only, there’s loads of background going on.
But I do take your point completely.

Honestly I understand which was why I made thus thread because my DN is disruptive but she can’t help it and I know thus is sometimes the case

I've never had a single child who 'mucks about' just for the hell of it.

I have. I have two very smart kids just now who was so capable, no issues, supportive parents etc. Neither see the need to work or aim for any qualifications as they've both said they don't need them as they are going to be 'famous YouTubers'. They are 14 and honestly believe this.

I have one DC who is finds focusing easy and their DT who doesn't. They are just someone who doesn't settle easily, likes verbal interaction and finds writing very difficult. This means that they find quiet focusing time in a class room hard. It is getting easier over time for them, so for some DC it just takes time to develop these skills.

I'm not sure most disruptive kids are being particularly selfish anymore so than any other kid. It's just the thing they're interested are not what the lesson is about.
I teach some lovely kids, nice home lives, no SEN, but they'd just rather chat to their mates about who they fancy than learn where you find the non-metals on the periodic table!
I get it. When in a meeting and the head is harping on about progress data I'd rather be talking to my mates too.
Every day I feel sad for the kids who just want to get on learning whilst I'm wrestling with the wilder ones. One of the most important lessons in school is coping with that shit.

My 3 most disruptive year 8 boys all sincerely believe that they are going to be star football players... They all are spoilt and overindulged and have very little respect for adults in general and for learning. They are exhausting to teach and slow the class.
No SEN in their cases.

The creep up in class sizes hasn't helped. I used to teach in a grammar (so, all able DC) but having up to 33 squashed into a classroom that would have been spacious for 20 amplified low level behaviour issues. Visitors from abroad would always comment on how little space there was. I was at Sports Day once and all the girls who were a pain in KS3 History were winning their running races!

Practical advice - seek a meeting with the Head of Year (if this is a problem in multiple subjects) and ask what their policy is on low level disruption in class and what strategies and sanctions there are. Ask for practical tips on supporting your daughter. There maybe lunchtime clinics she is attend and it may be possible for her to be seated away from students who are distracting her. Take her to do homework in a cafe now and again. Sounds mad but I noticed when I used to do tutoring in cafes that I was much better at blocking out background noise than my students - it's a life skill for sure.

May be lunchtime clinics she can attend sorry!