What is your version of a bad pupil ?

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What is your version of a bad pupil ?
So,embody who rolls their skirt up?
Somebody whose always late?
What do you class as. A ba dpupil and which infringements would you say are worse . Which rules do you hate kids breaking and how do you punish them ?

One who goes out of their way to disrupt the lesson, thus ruining it for 29 others.

Most of the time there's a reason why. It's our job to find that out and solve it if possible.

Uniform I don't care.

Uniform doesn’t bother me.

It’s the lethargic one who huffs at everything!

In your opinion what disrupts the lessons ? And Is it obvious when other children are agitated by another disruptive student ?

Why do you want to know?

Just what you view as a bad pupil?
Someone who does there work the talks
Or for example someone sho argues
Just what you as a person think . I know some teachers have zero tolerance for any bad behaviour but others are More patient .

Why do you have two threads on this? What is it you really want to know?

Lazy journo - bored kid?

Are you doing some lazy journalism?

I posted it twice because I didn’t expect the staff room one to get many replies tbh

I wouldn’t call any child a ‘bad pupil’ just a kid who makes bad choices. Behaviour I don’t like? Lying, meanness, arrogance, ignoring instructions, anyone who won’t put the effort in and acts like they don’t care.

Being a smart arse and disrupting lessons is one sign of a bad pupil.

It’s all relative.

If you’ve told a student not to roll up their skirt and they unroll it then roll it up again 2 minutes later it’s as defiant as asking a student not to call out to a friend across the classroom and then they do it again 5 minutes later. It might not directly disrupt teaching but it directly disrupts the ethos the school is trying to create.

A student who “does their work but is chatty” is not doing it to the best of their ability or allowing others in the classroom to, so if you tolerate this as a teacher then you are tolerating students not doing their best work. Saying it’s being “patient” might be true, but if your job is to try and get students to do their best work and be as successful as they can, are you being truly kind by being patient and ignoring or tolerating substandard work and poor levels of attention, or are you being kinder by insisting on students doing their best work?

Students arguing back - that’s just a demonstration of a lack of respect. The more that is tolerated the more they will do it. Eventually the authority of the teacher becomes totally eroded.

The ones who won’t shut up when you’re trying to teach are the most annoying because rolled up skirts, being late and so on can be dealt with at leisure whereas the rest of the class will never get that learning time back.

So the kid who stops others from learning is worse than one who simply does no work themselves.

I would not say "bad pupil" but would say "bad behaviour".

I have dealt with kids in primary who trash classrooms (which is very unnerving), to kids who are defiant (verbal not physical), to ones who disrupt by being chatty (to divert from the fact they feel they can't do the work but feel embarrassed to ask for help).

They can all cause other pupils to feel unsafe or unsettled, which isn't good for all concerned.

I wouldn't refer to a pupil as bad - I try to remember that it's the behaviour that I don't like not the child.

I teach secondary and would say it's pupils who repeatedly try to disrupt the learning of others e.g. by calling out/trying to talk over me etc.

It is important to remember though that there are often reasons why a pupil behaves in a certain way - that's what we need to identify and support with. For example, I taught a child a couple of years ago who, I you didn't know him, you would think he was just lazy/badly behaved/rude. In fact, he had a very, very difficult homelife and part of the reason he behaved this way at school was because we were the only constants in his life and he knew that we wouldn't hold grudges

No, it’s not obvious when other kids are weary of a disruptive character, many really lack confidence socially and don’t want to rock the boat, they’ll laugh along but really feel desparate for a teacher to deal with it.
My biggest fear/frustration is kids who don’t listen to instructions in practicals, (I teach science.) These are the ones who are not only disruptive but potentially dangerous.

Bad behaviour not a bad pupil.