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What would you get if you sat the exam yourself?

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noblegiraffe · 15/03/2015 12:42

I read this morning that a Tory MP has tried to get included in the manifesto that teachers should sit exams alongside their students. (Daily Mail link). I rather suspect that he assumes that teachers will fail. An exercise in humiliation displaying a lack of trust in teachers.

But I have read the same thing from someone who I respect infinitely more, Tom Bennett of the TES (TES link). He frames it in a more supportive way, an opportunity for CPD.

In the Daily Mail comments, a teacher writes that they sit the exam every year (not alongside the kids) and his boss marks it, and that this is a useful exercise.

As a maths teacher, I always do A-level papers that I set the students before I mark them, so that I understand what the questions are asking and have worked solutions. I've got a good idea of what I would get in the real thing. But it suddenly occurred to me that other subject teachers wouldn't write an essay before marking essays, and so aren't constantly doing past papers. Do humanities teachers ever write essays? Do you ever do the papers?

I don't expect anyone to actually post that they would get anything other than top marks, because admitting a weakness as a teacher is like sticking a bleeding limb into a shark cage. But that's a real problem. If subject knowledge is an issue (and with constantly changing specifications this is going to come up), then what do you do? Would you say to your HOD 'actually, I know nothing about X, can we have some CPD on this?' Or would you scrabble around at home trying to find a few hours to read the textbook? I've always taken the textbook route.

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Pantone363 · 15/03/2015 12:51

Not a teacher, but I know my lecturer always writes an essay before he sets it to see if all the points/arguments we wants to see can be written within that word limit.

DontGotoRoehampton · 15/03/2015 13:04

I look over the papers to look for ambiguities etc, but it is not a real test because obv I have years more of experience than the DC -would be ridiculous to sit down and do it, would take me about 10 mins Grin.

noblegiraffe · 15/03/2015 13:18

Is that GCSE or A-level, Roe? It would definitely take me longer than 10 minutes to do A-level!

I reckon I can knock out a maths higher GCSE paper in half an hour. Further maths GCSE takes an hour. A-level depends on the module. I reckon I could do a C1 paper faster than GCSE further maths! I'd be pretty confident at getting around 100% (stupid mistakes) on those, but on an A-level mechanics paper I'd be less confident as it's quite fiddly and they sometimes slip really tricksy questions in.

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DontGotoRoehampton · 15/03/2015 13:22

GCSE! Grin

thecatfromjapan · 15/03/2015 13:50

Sort of on the theme ... I've been writing timed essays, with a pen, and it has been an eye-opener.
For the last thirty years, I have had the facility to edit-with-ease. Not having that option makes writing so different. Harder, frankly.
The experience has given me such an insight into what I expect children to do. It's given me a far stronger idea of potential difficulties, and a respect for what they achieve.
And I suppose it has changed the way I now tutor writing.

noblegiraffe · 15/03/2015 15:14

I do feel sorry for this year's Y11 having to sit modular exams in a linear fashion. They have a huge number of exams in a short period and having to write for so many hours in a single day is going to be painful.

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SylviaPouncer · 15/03/2015 15:56

I often do French A level past papers and get 100% on all of it except the essay because I don't do the essay. I'd be amazing at them though if I did bother Grin

SylviaPouncer · 15/03/2015 16:00

I wouldnt want to have to sit them because it was the rules though. What's the point of me having a French degree and A level if I have to do it again every year? I think politicians think we teachers are an untrustworthy bunch of charlatans.

superram · 15/03/2015 17:20

I didn't get an a first time round at a level so probably wouldn't now. However, I do plan essays based on exam q's not sure when I would have time to actually spend 2.5 hours actually doing the exam. For my a level and gcse that would be 14 hours.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 15/03/2015 18:18

I think I'd be okay to get an A* at GCSE, and maybe an A at AS. Ot sure about A2 though!

In theory, it's a good idea. I often do timed exam questions alongside my class, to see what is do-able in the time available.

BellaBearisWideAwake · 15/03/2015 18:24

As a maths teacher I do the same as you OP, and agree re length of time and difficulty of different papers. It's quite hard to mark an M1 paper, for instance, without sitting it. I tried to do just that last week and it didn't make me look good!

BellaBearisWideAwake · 15/03/2015 18:26

C3 And C4 though, I'd need to do open book, I always say to my students that at some point in year 13 they become better than me because they are in the zone with, for example, trig identities.

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