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Why do the government seem to hate teachers so much!?

14 replies

rollonthesummer · 10/03/2015 12:14

bbc

Details of the majority of public sector pay reviews, including for the military, doctors and the prison service, could be published as early as this week. But the Lib Dems say there is a dispute over recommendations for the main rates of pay for teachers proposed by the School Teachers Review Body (STRB).

First, my lovely MP's letter last week telling me that there was, in fact, no teaching recruitment crisis-now this.

Do we really want crap, underpaid, unmotivated teachers who are desperate to leave teaching our children?

Obviously not teaching 'their' children though, as they don't go to state schools. Therein lies the problem.

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KinkyDorito · 10/03/2015 15:17

I'm growing increasingly cynical.

Talking to my Dsis who runs a nurse bank. They pay agency fees for their nurses as there is a nursing recruitment crisis. Via the agency, nurses come out with £30 an hour which is far more than there salary would nbe if employed directly by the NHS, but this costs the NHS double that as agency gets a good chunk of it.

So I ask her - why is it that there is a nurse shortage? Because wages are shocking; nurses are training and going to work for agencies. So why doesn't the NHS put up nurses's pay to a decent salary (say £40k which would pay them around £30 an hour) thus attracting more nurses and saving them a huge amount of money from what they pay the agencies.

Who will lose out in this arrangement?

The agencies who are making a mint from all of this.

I am starting to think they are trying to do the same in teaching. All qualified, long-term teachers end up on supply and agencies make a pile of money from it all. Look how many on these threads are thinking of or going on supply to avoid the workload. It's one way of private companies making ££££ from education.

It's my new conspiracy theory... Grin

KinkyDorito · 10/03/2015 15:19

their salary would be.

I'm ill today - apologies for spelling and typos.

Callooh · 10/03/2015 21:06

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TheSolitaryWanderer · 11/03/2015 05:00

You don't make piles of money, but you do have a life that you are actually living and enjoying. I now make 2/3 of what I did as a FT class teacher and it's worth the trade for me.

MsShellShocked · 11/03/2015 05:26

The thing is pay is not the problem. It's workload and unrealistic targets. A payrise wouldn't help very much.

LondonZoo · 11/03/2015 05:36

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AuntieDee · 11/03/2015 05:41

The NHS sees teaching and the NHS as easy targets. I took an £8k paycut when they changed the working terms a few years ago - it's so demeaning to be told you aren't worth what you are being paid :(

KinkyDorito · 11/03/2015 06:19

I think they are driving people out of direct employment on purpose, so conditions and pay won't improve.

Callooh · 11/03/2015 06:29

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Tollygunge · 11/03/2015 06:49

I love my job, but everyone in my staff room agrees we can not sustain this. Already this morning- I get up at five- I've marked a class worth of assessments and responded to emails. It's sucking the life out of me. I don't find obs a worry, I've never been anything less than good, but the pressure and stress is making me a monster. ??

rollonthesummer · 11/03/2015 07:57

The thing is pay is not the problem. It's workload and unrealistic targets. A payrise wouldn't help very much.

I agree with you actually; it's not about the money.

The fact the government won't give us a payrise just shows what they/people think about us though. It seems that we're just not worth it.

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Moniker1 · 11/03/2015 08:07

I would say education has had a hell of a time under this Gov but that it is cyclical - Govs pick on Nursing/ Police/ Teachers in turn, mind you T May has pretty well got a jackpot of all three with this Gov. Police in the Met starting pay went down to 19,000 (to live in London hahahaha).

rollonthesummer · 11/03/2015 10:03

That's shocking, isn't it?

I won't vote Tory and it's rather pointless here voting Lib Dem, so it will have to be Labour. It's a shame (from a teaching point of view) that Tristram Hunt seems such a arse though!

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KinkyDorito · 11/03/2015 16:08

Total arse rollon Sad. But, I'm same as you.

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