Anyone surprised by the Indy's headline today saying that Gove is still meddling in Education dept despite being sacked?

[sassytheFIRST]

The man is something else.

You could look at it from a different angle. If it had just been another stepping stone as it is with most politicos - he could have forgotten about it the moment he left the ministry. If he continues to take an interest - surely indicates he has a genuine interest. How is that spun to be bad thing..?

Nah, it's control freakery.

All it shows really is that the policy isn't, and never was, Gove's as an individual. Any senior Tory would back it if interviewed on it.

I disagree. It was absolutely Gove's drive, and (tho I detest the man, I give him his due) he was ideologically driven by something he believed in. I think Cameron et al were supportive but actually found themselves taken aback by the scale of the refurb sand the damage they did to any relationship between Tory party bad teaching profession.

Gove was replaced because he was so toxic. If I were sacked because students and parents hated me (even though I genuinely believed I was doing the right thing) I would be arrested for nuisance/stalking if I continued to try and involve myself in the life if the school!

Refurb sand = reforms and

Be he a control freak or he has a genuine interest, the Man is dedicated.

There is no way that Gove could have formulated policy as a personal crusade. I know that there was a great deal of 'playing the man not the ball' rhetoric during his tenure. But it ignored the realities of how policy is made, and also meant an absolute gift to both parties in the coalition because moving Gove removed the rhetoric at just the right time of their choosing.

He has fuck all else to do. Wasn't he supposed to be some kind of media spokesman for the party in the run up to the election?

Instead he's attending dog shows and doing videos talking about game of thrones in Delingpole's back garden.

Gove is a complete and utter plonker. His ideologies were unreasonable, unworkable and unrealistic and he was working AGAINST teachers (and parents - I know of many who detest the man!) not with them.

He said he wanted ALL schools to be better than average. Now, work out that impossible scenario!

I think the tories forget that many voters are in fact ... teachers!! Gove has single handly lost thouands (if not millions) of potential votes this May.

And where is the report into workload reforms????? We were promised the new year and by the new year she meant January.

It's February 1st.

"He said he wanted ALL schools to be better than average."

Link?

Gove has single handly lost thouands (if not millions) of potential votes this May.

Did the Tories ever think they had the teacher vote!?

I think they're appealing to the people that think teachers are a waste of space who work 5-hour days and have 13 weeks off and want them to jog on and join the real world.

Comments on here www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31079515

such as

Scrap the ludicrous amount of "inset" days teachers are now allocated and invest the time in intense mathematics tutorials

show what some people think of teachers!

"Most above average progress" quote is near the bottom

Gove was hidden behind the curtains because he was going to lose the election. Cameron's just hoping everyone forgets he existed and then no doubt he'll be wheeled back out again if the Tories win.

I can't work out if that's the mean, median or mode sort of average.

Or, if as in other speeches, he was referring to the previous year's average (there was a link to the whole speech, but I can't quite summon the resolve to watch it). Any more expert posters happen to know?

Cameron referred to him repeatedly during today's education speech. And the way he endorsed the whole shebang shows it is (and always has been) government policy, not that of an individual.

I can't say that I am surprised to be honest.

I agree with the previous poster that said that it has always been government policy. However, it benefitted Cameron to have a bogeyman (and what a fitting one he proved to be) in Gove because he (the PM) could keep his distance from the deeply unpopular policy.

Its ok for a minister to have some affection for their last post, but for the purposes of tory bashing TOSSER MANSPLAINING HIS HORRIBLE VIEWS OVER THE SHOULDER OF THE PERFECTLY CAPABLE ...THINGY... AND PATRONISING.. AND CONTROL LIKE NAZI GERMANY 'You vill obey the MAN' ..