Likelihood of a new job at UPS3?

[LapsedTwentysomething]

I've just moved schools to go FT and considered myself lucky as pay is protected. However now I understand why - poor behaviour and subsequently retention.

I will be applying for something else as soon as jobs begin to come up again, but am worried that I'll find it difficult to find something as such an expensive teacher.

Can anyone reassure me? Or am I going to have to leave the profession? I certainly can't stick this with the added stresses of a seriously ill DM and two young DC, both poor sleepers.

You may find it difficult for two reasons...

1. On UPS you are more expensive and therefore less attractive unless going for more senior roles with TLR's
2. YOu are leaving a school after a very short period of time and some schools not all( will not like this and it may affect your chances!

How easy it will be to leave the profession depends on the subjects you teach, where you live and the connections you have. We teachers think we have skills that are very much in demand but are often far to qualified for entry level professions and under-qualified for everything else!

I have been teaching for over 10 years and have never applied to advance above M6 simply because I want to keep my portability and I just wanted to be a classroom teacher!

Do you have any tlr experience? So that you will/could apply for a position with any level of responsibility next time?

I'm p/t on tlr2b and UPS2 and determined to hold on it, so that I have something else to offer than cheaper NQTs with boundless energy and no kids to distract me when I eventually move on.

Think about how you set yourself apart from those NQTs - what does your experience lead you to be able to offer that they can't? I'm sure there's something :)

Distract them, of course! They are distracting even when they're in bed!

I have been teaching for 8 years and couldn't afford not to go through threshold! I don't think this in itself was a mistake.

Wouldn't remaining on the main scale suggest a lack of ambition though?

I do hae TLR1 experience and was hoping never to repeat it but perhaps I could look for TLR2 posts and stay there.

Sorry Meirasa, that sounded rude. My concern would be that it would come across as a lack of ambition. Not that I particularly have any, other than not to do crowd control for the rest of my working life!

I'm still on M6 and in my tenth year of teaching, largely due to changing schools at the wrong time (twice) and so having to start to gather evidence again (I know that's wrong but...). I haven't been too bothered about it because I wanted to keep the portability of being on MPS.

But I have had a TLR for the past 4 or 5 years - in 3 different schools for 3 different reasons! I've certainly never had an issue with being perceived as having a lack of ambition. But then I've done Leading from the Middle, MaST and am now doing NPQSL. My school's getting a very, very good deal and they know it!!

I'm on UPS1 and am looking for a permanent part time position which is proving pretty difficult. I'm doing supply at the mo which I'm
loving but unfortunately doesn't pay (cos of holidays). With part- time, it seems to be a case of why pay for 2 days what we could pay an NQT for the whole week ?!
As an aside, get quite irritated by people claiming if you do not climb the ladder, there is no ambition(btw I know above poster wasnt necessarily saying this herself ) when I have seen so many poor teachers become senior leadership etc and then refuse to model an outstanding lesson after observing. Nothing wrong with the ambition of doing your best for each and every child in your class which I don't believe can be done well if you are also deputy head, SENCO and KS leader.
Sorry, went off course there a bit but yes I think it will be difficult unless you are going for full time and willing to take on a lot of responsibility.

I'm absolutely with you, LittleMissSunshine
"Ambition" in teaching doesn't have to mean climbing up the management ladder. I certainly don't want to, having seen the sh*t the deputy puts up with at my place. I AM ambitious - ambitious to keep the children happy and loving learning and achieving well. I also want to help new teachers and inspire them.

OP - If I were in your position I think I'd suggest in your application you'd be willing to negotiate on pay, then knock them out with a killer lesson and make it clear in interview that they'd be getting and extremely good deal for X,Y,Z reasons.

My friend got lured into a job on UPS with TLR and it's dreadful - I don't think he will stand it beyond this year. I feel really sorry for him because he;s bloody hard working and passionate bout his subject, but gets called a C every day!

I would negotiate on pay and drop my ups in a heartbeat to get a job in my home town. Presumably I could always go back through threshold.

I had to drop from UPS3 to M6 (academy so they can pay what they want) in order to return to teaching after time out for DCs and relocation. I didn't have my old job to go back to.

I'm on my second temporary contract with the same school now. As a
PP said, they're getting an extremely good deal, but they do realise that.

I'm very glad to walk out with my part time M6 pay and work-life balance intact.

You know I've been involved in appointing MASSES of teachers and I've never heard a conversation about their cost. They're either right or not.

I returned to work after 6 years top of main scale. Hadn't bothered with ups as was pregnant. I'm not about to do ups 2. They needed me as they were desperate for a good experienced teacher.

I'm now middle management.

So don't let money put you off applying.

I would bite the hand off a UPS3 teacher. I need an experienced teacher who is capable of providing support to other members of the department and who can make a positive contribution to development across the school. As a UPS3 teacher, you should have demonstrated that you can do that, so I would value you more than I would a less experienced teacher right now!

I'm on UPS2. I left a part time job as the school was making me ill. Did supply for a term, and through that got a temporary contract in a lovely school, who knew me well through the supply. At the end of that, last term, they offered me a permanent contract, and when I queried with the Head which pay point he'd put me on, he was happy to keep me at UPS2 (though I would have taken a pay drop just to be in a job that I enjoyed and which wasn't slowly killing me). He reassured me that they needed an experienced teacher, who they could rely on to be consistently good, and were happy to pay for that. So... there are schools and Heads out there who will honour pay points, but I suspect they are becoming few and far between.