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Performance management

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BatmanLovesIckyBarry · 14/10/2013 16:13

Two of my targets:

All children to make at least good progress

and

All teaching to be Outstanding.

Now, obviously, we'd all like this to happen, but these targets are wildly unrealistic, aren't they? I'm worried about pay implications as we have moved over to PRP. Should I challenge these targets? My Head is not very approachable...

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SilverApples · 14/10/2013 16:18

How are they defining Good Progress? Two or three sublevels in the year?

For the second one, I'd want a more precise target 'All observations to be rated outstanding' for example.

42notTrendy · 14/10/2013 16:21

Did you not get chance to discuss your targets? I agree, they need defining very clearly.

BackforGood · 14/10/2013 16:28

The targets need to be measurable... what do they mean by 'good progress'?
The second one I wouldn't go near with a bargepole. FAR too subjective, even if you limit it to "two out of three observed lessons" or something.

Also, surely you should be meeting to discuss what targets you want?

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BatmanLovesIckyBarry · 14/10/2013 16:43

Progress = 4 APS, which is 2 sublevels. In the past it has always been understood one or two wo't make it....

No, my targets weren't discussed, just what I'd done over the year, and my observation. He said he would email me the targets later. My targets are identical to the Lit co-ordinator (I am Maths)

The second one does worry me, as I agree it can be too subjective. And depending who sees you, and their agenda, you can get quite different grades!

Thanks, I thought I was getting my knickers in a twist over the new pay, you've helped me see I'm not, and the targets are actually insane!

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cricketballs · 14/10/2013 16:45

What level are you on? I ask as at my school they say NQT lessons to be at least requiring improvement, main scale (not NQT) at least requiring improvement with a percentage of good, UPS1 good with outstanding features etc. There also needs to be in place an appeal process as backforgood is correct - lesson observations are far too subjective and can be influenced by school budget

BackforGood · 14/10/2013 16:49

Not would I agree to anything that says "All children..."

You have no control over what is happening in those children's lives outside of school. Over time, sadly, individual children will have such traumatic stuff going on in their lives, any progress would be a miracle, let alone some given amount made up by management. It is not in your remit to be able to guarantee that all children will make that progress - there has to be some kind of % in there, which is not 100%.

BackforGood · 14/10/2013 16:49

*nor

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BatmanLovesIckyBarry · 14/10/2013 17:33

I am M6, Lit co -ord has been through Threshold.

We are going to meet this week for a chat, and present a united front to the HT. The 'all children' part rang alarm bells for me, I have to say!

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BatmanLovesIckyBarry · 14/10/2013 17:35

Oh - and my school is Outstanding and due an Ofsted, we have a Headteacher who is new to Headteachering and massively panicking about last year's results! Hence the pressure on the staff...

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BackforGood · 14/10/2013 18:15

Think SMART targets - I know they started as something for IEPs, but it makes a lot of sense wherever someone is having targets set. Let your new HT see that there is no point in her/him setting ridiculous targets that can neither be measured nor those that cannot be achieved - that's not going to look good on her/his record, either.

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BatmanLovesIckyBarry · 14/10/2013 18:38

Yes, good idea BackForGood. I think I'll discuss it with my colleague who is in the same boat, so we've got sensible suggestions rather than a moaning approach.

Thanks for all your help, everyone Flowers

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42notTrendy · 14/10/2013 22:13

In light of what you've added, those targets are insane! 4 points progress? Every child? I think even Ofsted would laugh.
And whilst I aspire to be outstanding Wink I'd work myself into an early grave if every lesson had to be outstanding! Perhaps that target could be linked to your subject specialism? And elements of for other curriculum areas. Perhaps your union may be able to offer some advice for when you discuss it with your head.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 16/10/2013 20:22

They are ridiculous targets, as you know - and you are entitled to a proper PM meeting with your line manager in which you work together to agree targets. PM is not about the line manager emailing you your targets!

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BatmanLovesIckyBarry · 16/10/2013 21:07

Well, my Literacy counterpart asked the Head to change the 'all children...' target to something achievable. He gave her a flat no. It's my turn to have a go at talking sense next! Otherwise, it's next step unions...

As for proper PM meeting - yes, you're right! I was just a bit stunned by how they do things here...

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bsc · 16/10/2013 22:27

How on earth can it be all children?

Even Gove admits 1.6% of children will not be able to be assessed at end of KS4 in the same way as others (yesterday's documentation on new performance measures)

bsc · 16/10/2013 22:29

What %age of children in your school make good progress, and exceed expected progress currently OP? Surely your targets could be linked to an improved %age in those measures? 100% is ridiculous.

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BatmanLovesIckyBarry · 19/10/2013 09:02

Last year we had 75% as targets. It's just the HT passing on his stress, I think. We NEED 100% progress, but we won't get it.

Anyway, I spoke to him after school yesterday, and we are having a meeting next week to discuss it all properly. Hopefully he will see sense!

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