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If Year Eight were working at their end of year targets during today's observation...

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DrSeuss · 07/10/2013 20:12

Then doesn't that make them showing progress in excess of expectations, not in line with expectations?

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chibi · 07/10/2013 20:14

depends on who is observing and what they want/expect to see

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DrSeuss · 07/10/2013 20:20

It does. I tried to explain to the guy employed by the Head to do OFSTED style obs that the targets on the front of books were for the end of the school year but he wasn't interested. I made progress in line with expectations, it seems.

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chibi · 07/10/2013 20:27

there's always an agenda. 10 years into this and i am starting to wonder if children are learning in spite of school/the education system

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macthecatsmum · 07/10/2013 20:31

your school employs someone to do obs? ffs ours get done by slt and hof. so they know all the ins and outs of targets and other such shite important hoops to jump through matters.

DrSeuss · 07/10/2013 20:55

Two of them, all this week. OFSTED are due and SMT are running scared. Outside bloke's judgement overrides Deputy Head who was with him and pleased with lesson.

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bsc · 07/10/2013 21:13

It sounds as though your end of year targets are too low!
How could they have reached them 4 weeks into a new academic year? Confused

If OFSTED are on the prowl- how are your PPP doing? Make sure all of you know which your PPP are, and what interventions are keeping them making expected progress.

bsc · 07/10/2013 21:14

Do the End of Y8 targets allow for them all to have made sufficient progress from End of KS2?

DrSeuss · 07/10/2013 21:26

I have no say in targets, they are set in stone by SMT.

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bsc · 07/10/2013 21:38

But if they're meeting them now, that is a clear sign that something is awry. Do you know if they were set based on End of KS2 levels, End of Y7 levels, a baseline completed at beginning of Y7, etc?

DrSeuss · 07/10/2013 21:43

MFL, no Ks 2 levels.

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bsc · 07/10/2013 21:49

Ah, MFL a little trickier, but do your pupils do baselining when they arrive at school? MIDYIS, or something similar?
Were they all very far ahead of End of Y7 targets in July?
(in which case, why weren't End of Y8 targets revised? Confused)

TeenAndTween · 08/10/2013 13:43

I am not a teacher, so feel free to ignore/correct me.

I thought the lessons observations were about making progress within that lesson . So a child could be ahead of expectations in terms of their target, but make less than expected progress during any one random lesson?

And speaking as a parent, if a whole class are already working at their end of year target level, I would think the targets weren't nearly stretching enough.

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