Ham pr disasters 55! …no neither David Attenborough or John major will be head of state! ….

[jeffgoldblum]

Keep calm and carry on!

Same. I can remember exactly where I was standing in my kitchen, the weather outside, the time and the date when I got one of those calls. I can remember what I was eating sat on my sofa, date and time again, when I got other bad news. These memories don't tend to be fuzzy.

Sam Markle tweeted that Tom Junior was paid 80K for the story

Cut her some slack over dates ? The dates are crucial .

Is this like cut her some slack over when she really got married ?
Is this like cut her some slack about when Archie was really born ? She's very loose normally with the truth.

I’m positive Markle jnr was paid. He’s out for himself but he still reported what he thinks is a crime.

The vitriol on this thread towards a person and a couple who none of you have likely ever met is off the scale.

What is wrong with you?

£ 80k is one hell of an incentive to see a crime where no crime might be, though.

I just find it bizarre- that Meg is left flapping in the wind and Harry isn’t issuing a joint statement with her.
Why is it all on her to come up with dates and info and not Harry?

I appreciate it’s much more than dates but it is obvious that M still hasn’t learnt to double check and pause to think through the wider implications of what she is saying.

It’s a trait I have known others have where they say what gets them out of the current problem without realising it drops them into a bigger issue down the line. You could say slap dash or living for today rather than being a reflective detailed orientated person. An example is the freakish attention to detail claim which has backfired repeatedly,

I wouldn't believe Sam Markle if she told me today was Saturday.

The whole Markle family are appalling.

Why is the story already fraying at the edges?

Because it always bloody does, @Atlusvue?

Sam Markle tweeted that Tom Junior was paid 80K for the story

Did that include him oh-so-carefully placing the copy of Hollywood Lolitas in just the right position for the shot, @Starryfifty?

Or did he ??
I don’t trust ANY of the people involved in this latest debacle, especially if they’ve got Markle in their name - let’s see what the real evidence shows, may take some time.

You can’t fake these type of crimes. I don’t think Markle jnr would be able to outsmart forensics.

Well, that's true

Dear god, Harry speaking out would make things 10 times worse.

a couple who none of you have likely ever met

Is posting vitriol allowed if you've met them, then? and this 'you've never met them' is a hackneyed old phrase regularly trotted out on here. We've never met them, YOU'VE never met them, yet I bet you have an opinion about them. Why is your opinion presumably OK and ours isn't?

Or do we assume you have no opinions either way about people you've never met? apart from us, of course, who have something wrong with us, according to you.

That’s the thing. I do feel sympathy for Meg because the family is utterly appalling. All of them.

This is why Meg was such a risk to the RF. She came from nowhere and no one knew anything about her and her family background. She hid her family from Harry and created a narrative of who she was to fit in with him.

If Harry was going out with the usual posho, the RF would know all about them, their family, who they are friends with, what schools they went to, what scandals the family had. Its a small world they inhabit. Even though Kate wasn’t an aristo, she went to the right schools etc and was easily ‘verified’

Could it get worse at this point?

Don't even ask that. It can always get worse. Harry is probably grateful he hasn't published his engagements for November yet.

To be fair no one is responsible for their family. M and he4 family will have been vetted.

The biggest issue for M was not to take advice from the MIG and people like the Duchess of Edinburgh who herself had been through a fake sheikh episode.

She is gaining some sympathy. Him speaking out would be, now they need security more than ever blah blah and no thought to the victims of CSA

@IcedPurple

if I had a family member that I had such a letter about I would hand it off to the police. I would want to know if it was true or not and expect it to be investigated

Then I would be chasing to find out what was happening, have they investigated and in this case have they shared with US authorities or Mexico if that’s where he was. I would want to make sure that no other child suffers any abuse if it was found to be true. If I found out they had not I would be sharing myself

in the case of Ham they were at the time working royals working with various charities and then parents. Even when they stepped back they still championed kids and social media etc. If they were truly concerned and truly believed the letter was possible they keep up with what’s happened and push for something to be sorted

After all her own half brother reported in July and the chased again to see what was happening why did Meghan just assume it was being dealt with?

now it’s the letter was shared with her in 2019 you would think that she would remember exactly when she had a letter about her father being accused of abuse.

Exactly she is a year out in her estimation that she was claiming as fact!
As usual inconsistencies & inaccuracies!

One would think not but the Sussexes always have the capacity to surprise us 😆

I don’t think there’s any sympathy for Megs I think people are so utterly shocked about this, that they don’t really know what to say right now. Inc the press.

when the dust settles, I don’t imagine there will be much sympathy for anyone who spent 8 years knowing about something awful and didn’t feel they could do much about it or believed it was someone else’s problem to deal with.

Who reports something to the police and then thinks 'haven't heard from them for months.. years.. Shall I contact them and ask how it's progressing? No, no need, I'll just assume it's all being dealt with and anyone who is vulnerable is being protected. No need to ask any more questions'.