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Duke of Sussex & Others vs ANL: thread 5

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bluegreygreen · 09/07/2026 21:25

This is the fifth thread discussing the case Prince Harry (and 6 others) brought against the Daily Mail (Associated Newspapers Limited; ANL) for alleged unlawful information gathering (UIG).
The claimants were: Prince Harry (PH); Doreen Lawrence (DL); Liz Hurley (EH/LH); Elton John (EJ); David Furnish (DF); Simon Hughes (SH); Sadie Frost (SF). They were represented by David Sherborne (DS).
The defendant (ANL) was represented by Anthony White (AMW).

Judgement was handed down by Judge Nicklin on 7th July 2026.
All claims were dismissed.
Links to the summary and full judgement are below.
We are currently awaiting decisions around costs, with the next hearing due on 29-30th July.

The threads to date were thorough discussions of the evidence (so far as we were able to obtain it), with posters giving links and explaining their views.
Following the judgement, we discussed the judgement itself, the reaction, statements made by different parties and ongoing relevant issues.

We have mostly kept things civil by avoiding more general discussion on Royal Family members, which can become partisan, and trying not to be derailed from the main topic of the thread.

We have occasionally included (when things slowed with the title case) other cases or discussions with a specific theme of free speech/press freedom, particularly when related to those with money or power preventing others from speaking.

Links to previous threads
Thread 1
Thread 2
Thread 3
Thread 4

There was limited direct reporting from court after the celebrities gave evidence; what there we followed on this link
Sky news link to court case

Summary judgement

Full judgement

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Scrambledbeans · 03/08/2026 07:15

Knowing that allegedly DL was happy to withdraw all claims against ANL at Christmas, in exchange for £££, makes her participation in that insane statement from PH even more alarming for someone sitting in the lords.

LaMarschallin · 03/08/2026 08:08

I'm never sure where people who say they don't trust the MSM get their news from.
I get mine mostly from the Times and the Guardian (but that's based on the cryptic crosswords I really rate, it's just lucky the papers end to have different views. The next best crosswords are the Mail and the Telegraph, imo) and I listen to the Today programme first thing.
I read the Mail for free a couple of times a week when we to Waitrose.
Various things crop up on my Internet feed but I'm very aware that that's based on things they reckon I'd like (often very wrongly).
What news sources do people that don't believe MSM think is a reliable, non-biased source?
Absolute genuine question because I'm of an age to eye things online askance.

Adding on with a different subject, I've never understood why people who have had a tragedy in their lives can get promoted to or have influence over legal matters when they would normally never had that sort of influence; it's not just DL but she's a notable example.

bluegreygreen · 03/08/2026 10:10

People who say they don't trust the mainstream media usually say it's because of bias, or because government/the royal family/billionnaires are stopping the truth coming out.
They then think the next step is to go to the completely unregulated social media sites for news, rather than first looking at a wide range of MSM sites and comparing their output.

Re DL, I would have no issue with her negotiating to drop the case against ANL in exchange for X amount - that's standard.
The huge problem I have is her (reportedly) saying she would give a statement saying that Stephen Wright had done nothing wrong, having already given a sworn statement to court saying something completely different.

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MyDogClive · 03/08/2026 10:21

In my experience, people who claim not to trust mainstream media are often lacking in critical thinking. They can be people who don’t have the ability or inclination to engage with print media and who are astonishingly naive about what is fed to them through their social media feeds.

Whereas most of us probably read with a cynical eye, an awareness of the publisher’s agenda and a view from other sources.

Rhaidimiddim · 03/08/2026 13:25

bluegreygreen · 03/08/2026 10:10

People who say they don't trust the mainstream media usually say it's because of bias, or because government/the royal family/billionnaires are stopping the truth coming out.
They then think the next step is to go to the completely unregulated social media sites for news, rather than first looking at a wide range of MSM sites and comparing their output.

Re DL, I would have no issue with her negotiating to drop the case against ANL in exchange for X amount - that's standard.
The huge problem I have is her (reportedly) saying she would give a statement saying that Stephen Wright had done nothing wrong, having already given a sworn statement to court saying something completely different.

Yes, her actions show that she will lie for money. Possibly on oath, depending on which of the two contradictory statements was the truth (if either were).

BasiliskStare · 03/08/2026 13:57

When I was at university ( this is over 40 years ago ) I was in a seminar with a woman who was married to Anthony Howard ( deputy editor of the observer at the time ) & we became friends. I was invited to her house a few times and I met AH. I remember him saying (& I think I have this right - in the gist if not the detail ) he had been invited to give a talk , I remember it might have been WI , but no matter , it was a talk. A woman at the back said "I love the Observer because it is unbiased". His reply was , "No , it probably accords with your own bias and that's why you think so ".
I think most newspapers or journalists have some bias - the trick is to recognise that and as @MyDogClive says , read with a critical (I'd say critical , not cynical - but near enough ) eye, or also read articles with a different viewpoint. It doesn't mean views are invalid , but don't expect a newspaper to be completely without bias.

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 03/08/2026 19:48

Harry of course believes it was paparazzi who killed his mother. This I believe fuels his despise of newspapers and he has now made claims that were without evidence. The landscape is not the same as it was.

I don’t really understand the DL position though. The press did try to bring her son’s murderers to account. ANL decided to pay her nothing because paying her would have been an admission of guilt and she would have “won” without going to court and facing a judge.

I too don’t like single issue campaigners being elevated to the Lords but I do think they should be consulted when it’s necessary. All views should be welcome to shape legislation but the Lords is far too large.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/08/2026 22:11

The press did try to bring her son’s murderers to account. ANL decided to pay her nothing because paying her would have been an admission of guilt and she would have “won” without going to court and facing a judge

I think (?) it's been said that settlements like this are usually made "without prejudice", @MeetMeOnTheCorner, but there's no denying " a win" is how it would have been spun, had ANL paid the £650,000 Doreen wanted

Mylovelygreendress · 03/08/2026 22:27

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 03/08/2026 19:48

Harry of course believes it was paparazzi who killed his mother. This I believe fuels his despise of newspapers and he has now made claims that were without evidence. The landscape is not the same as it was.

I don’t really understand the DL position though. The press did try to bring her son’s murderers to account. ANL decided to pay her nothing because paying her would have been an admission of guilt and she would have “won” without going to court and facing a judge.

I too don’t like single issue campaigners being elevated to the Lords but I do think they should be consulted when it’s necessary. All views should be welcome to shape legislation but the Lords is far too large.

When did Harry start voicing the belief that Diana was killed by paparazzi ? I can only recall him making such claims since he met Meghan but happy to be corrected.

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 03/08/2026 23:41

@Puzzledandpissedoff Yes they are but it would have been spun as her winning and so far, I believe it’s the guilty papers who have settled. ANL were not guilty.

jeffgoldblum · 03/08/2026 23:47

Harry claims and believes hold as much water as a bucket full of holes!! ( much like his memory)

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 03/08/2026 23:50

Harry complained the press broke up his relationship with Chelsy Davy and Cressida Bonas. He complained of intrusion and phone hacking. At that time the Royal Family would have had more control over him. When Meghan appeared, and then his subsequent departure from the RF, it ramped up into litigation but he certainly disliked the media and said they were responsible for Diana’s death.

SheinSussex · 04/08/2026 07:37

Mylovelygreendress · 03/08/2026 22:27

When did Harry start voicing the belief that Diana was killed by paparazzi ? I can only recall him making such claims since he met Meghan but happy to be corrected.

I remember 31 August 1997 distinctly and the general belief at the time was that the motorcyclist paparazzi were directly responding for the car crash. It was only later drip feeds (drunk driver, no seat belt, Diana calling the photographer to take photos of her on the yacht) that swayed some opinions but the vast majority still believed the paps killed her. Growing up with this, Harry would always blame the paps for that night.

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 04/08/2026 07:59

The whole press campaign from the papers to get the Queen to come down from Balmoral was a massive deflection technique from themselves because the paps were blamed for hounding Diana. You only need to listen to Candle in the wind (1997) to hear that. In his book he said the tunnel was short and straight so even a drunk driver would have been able to go down there if they weren't being chased. It's nothing to do with Meghan. She's just probably the only thing me who enabled his delusions.

Damnedidont · 04/08/2026 10:09

Scrambledbeans · 03/08/2026 07:15

Knowing that allegedly DL was happy to withdraw all claims against ANL at Christmas, in exchange for £££, makes her participation in that insane statement from PH even more alarming for someone sitting in the lords.

I was wondering about that. If she had withdrawn presumably she would still be liable for her costs to date. Perhaps what she was saying was that if they paid her cost to date she would withdraw her claim? Still a bit dodgy. But not quite as corrupt as the idea that she would stop lying if they paid her!

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 04/08/2026 10:13

The driver was drunk, going too fast and lost control of a heavy “armour plated” car. Diana’s choice to not wear a seatbelt. Obviously the photographers were beyond any level of acceptable but the car and how it was driven was the biggest issue and it would have been better if they had just been photographed! Once you invite the press to take photos of you it’s difficult to stop them when you don’t like it. I do think it’s less frenzied now and UK newspapers are more controlled in what they do to gather stories and pictures. However they didn’t employ the paps. They bought the pictures.

In the 70s, very decent people would buy and read “the news of the screws”but now, these low life papers have gone.

bluegreygreen · 04/08/2026 11:30

As we said upthread, the press landscape has changed a lot since 1990s/2000s.

Since then, there has also been the development of social media, and the fact that almost everyone has a mobile phone with a camera, and can share photos, has also massively reduced the demand for paparazzi photographs.
Celebrities have their own social media presence which they curate, making photographs available for use.

These are reasons why you don't have the same rush of paparazzi hunting any photograph of a celebrity.

Equally, with the development of the internet you don't have the same use for private investigators to hunt out information - journalists can sign up to online databases or for search facilities that didn't previously exist.

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Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 04/08/2026 19:40

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 04/08/2026 10:13

The driver was drunk, going too fast and lost control of a heavy “armour plated” car. Diana’s choice to not wear a seatbelt. Obviously the photographers were beyond any level of acceptable but the car and how it was driven was the biggest issue and it would have been better if they had just been photographed! Once you invite the press to take photos of you it’s difficult to stop them when you don’t like it. I do think it’s less frenzied now and UK newspapers are more controlled in what they do to gather stories and pictures. However they didn’t employ the paps. They bought the pictures.

In the 70s, very decent people would buy and read “the news of the screws”but now, these low life papers have gone.

Well yes Harry is making staken there, but that's what he believes. It doesn't matter what anybody else says. That's why he is so paranoid about everything.

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 04/08/2026 19:56

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 04/08/2026 19:40

Well yes Harry is making staken there, but that's what he believes. It doesn't matter what anybody else says. That's why he is so paranoid about everything.

mistaken

AnAutumnCrow · 04/08/2026 19:58

Damnedidont · 04/08/2026 10:09

I was wondering about that. If she had withdrawn presumably she would still be liable for her costs to date. Perhaps what she was saying was that if they paid her cost to date she would withdraw her claim? Still a bit dodgy. But not quite as corrupt as the idea that she would stop lying if they paid her!

ANL were offering all that, and apparently she wanted more.

BasiliskStare · 05/08/2026 15:06

This may of interest - from Tom Sykes but re the ANL case specifically .
Sorry it's a bit long but it references Burrows and also Temple Legal.
Those with better knowledge than me will be able to comment whether this is pertinent or not and indeed if it was already known.

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In it, the claimants’ solicitors admit that Harry and his merry band of litigants knew full well that Gavin Burrows, the private investigator on whose “lurid” evidence vast swathes of the case rested (that being the Mail’s word for it, deployed back in 2023 as it denied everything from the outset), had pulled his cooperation before they ever launched proceedings.

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The letter, sent to Mr Justice Nicklin on January 26 this year as the trial was getting underway, states that the claimants were first aware Burrows “had probably withdrawn cooperation (and thereby indicated he was unwilling to attend trial on their behalf)” in March 2022. That was the month in which Burrows turned up at the south London home of Graham Johnson (the convicted phone hacker turned lead researcher for the claim) and, according to the letter, “assaulted and threatened Mr Johnson, in front of his family, at the latter’s home, and published a series of tweets and became uncommunicative.” Burrows himself described the incident in court, giving evidence by video link from a lawyer’s office somewhere in Asia—he was, he said, too scared to attend in person—flanked by a solicitor who looked like a debt collector, wearing shorts, swinging on his chair, and mocking the claimants’ lead barrister, David Sherborne, with the memorable jibe: “You ain’t got nothing!”
Four days after the Karate Kid-flavored punch-up with Johnson, on March 22, 2022, the lawyers launched their claim anyway.
The first the wider world knew of Burrows disavowing his evidence was 2025, when a written submission from him disowning his original statement surfaced. What we now know is that the claimants themselves clocked his withdrawal THREE YEARS earlier. And by the solicitors’ own account, they had “conclusive evidence of his withdrawal of co-operation” by March 2023, when the Mail’s side served a witness statement from Burrows denying the matters set out in the claim. That is to say, conclusive proof their star witness had gone, fully two years before trial. And still they pressed on.
When Galbraith and Anjlee Sangani (solicitor for Baroness Lawrence) formally issued the super claim in October 2022, they simultaneously announced to the world that their clients had become aware of “compelling and highly distressing evidence” of “abhorrent criminal activity and gross breaches of privacy” by the Mail’s publisher. That evidence was, overwhelmingly, Burrows. Six of the seven claimants relied on him (though not, funnily enough, Harry himself). It was Burrows who supplied the far-fetched material about bugged cafés, listening devices on windowsills and shadowy police work that persuaded Baroness Lawrence and Liz Hurley, among others, that they had been victims of a sprawling criminal conspiracy. The press statement made no mention that the man behind it all had gone rogue, was suing Johnson, and was calling him a “conman.”
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The cover was later increased by £1 million per claimant. But with the Mail now claiming £34.8 million in costs, the policy is more than £16 million short even if it pays out in full. And if Temple’s lawyers conclude that material facts were withheld at the point of underwriting, the policy may not pay out at all. If Temple behaves like any other insurance company on earth, extensive inquiries into voiding it will already be underway. In which case the claimants (and, one suspects, their advisers) are in serious, serious trouble.
To make things odder still, Gillard notes that Temple’s “independent counsel” monitoring the merits of the case, Godwin Busuttil, sits in the same chambers as Sherborne (“chambers,” for the uninitiated, being shared offices from which self-employed barristers practice.) Sherborne, remember, is the man whose conduct of the trial the Mail’s counsel described last week as “improper and cavalier,” and who was accused of persisting “in allegations based on the obviously discredited evidence of Mr Burrows to the bitter end.”
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RecoIIectionsMayVary · 05/08/2026 15:23

He reveals that the claimants applied for their After The Event insurance (£250,000 of cover each, from Temple Legal Protection) on March 21, 2022—three days after the Burrows-Johnson fracas. The letters before action went out the following day. The obvious question, as The Upsetter puts it with restrained understatement: “It is hard to see how the full facts were not pertinent to the underwriting decision.”

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bluegreygreen · 05/08/2026 16:25

Thanks @BasiliskStare.

I remember The Upsetter publishing something interesting early on in the threads.

So we always knew about the March 2023 date, when Burrows wrote to ANL.

But, according to Michael Gillard of The Upsetter, the new timeline is:
March 2022: Burrows has fight with Johnson, becomes uncommunicative, is unlikely to appear in court for claimants (and claimants are aware*, according to letter in January 2026)
21 March 2022 (3 days later): claimants apply for ATE insurance
22 March 2022 (4 days later): claimants send letter before action
October 2022: claim filed

If this letter was obtainable from paperwork from last week's hearing by someone not part of the case, presumably the insurance company (who are reported to have attended court daily) could also obtain it?

Re Godwin Busuttil: I assume independent counsel in this case means that he does not have an interest in the outcome one way or another; it might have been better to use someone from a different chambers but I don't know what is usual practice.

*I wonder are the claimants aware, or just the legal team (not having seen the letter).
And would it make a difference legally?

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BasiliskStare · 05/08/2026 16:30

@RecoIIectionsMayVary - That's what I thought . It will be interesting to see what Temple Legal say.

Also I was quite interested in this more widely
"To make things odder still, Gillard notes that Temple’s “independent counsel” monitoring the merits of the case, Godwin Busuttil, sits in the same chambers as Sherborne (“chambers,” for the uninitiated, being shared offices from which self-employed barristers practice.) Sherborne, remember, is the man whose conduct of the trial the Mail’s counsel described last week as “improper and cavalier,” and who was accused of persisting “in allegations based on the obviously discredited evidence of Mr Burrows to the bitter end.”

Does anyone with better legal or insurance knowledge than me have a view on this. Pragmatically speaking I would have thought insurers would be looking very carefully , given it's a large amount & they will have the underwriters' view to go over before they pay out.

NormalAuntFanny · 05/08/2026 17:08

Like insurers the world over they'd rather not pay than pay so the next few weeks might force open the notoriously tight H's chequebook and cause some problems for the less moneyed ANL 'martyrs'.